All Blacks 2022
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.
I don't know if Lester confirmed any doubts in the semi but he was fairly anonymous. I don't see him as any more than midfield cover or an attacking wing. He seems to be a bit of a flat track bully. Shines when the opposition suits him but does little otherwise.
Good player but I dont see where he fits at the moment. -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
Pretty close I think.
I'd like to see MMT in the squad, rather than Frizzell - even if it's so they coaches can have a look at him. Not too sure about LF (who I think is a wing anyway). I have a sneaking suspicion they may go with someone like Mark Telea or Lam or they might go with Havili on experience in midfield.
All in all, I think that's a pretty good squad with a mix of experience and coming players.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
Could be. The cupboard is really bare, so they might just roll the dice and pick a newbie for 13.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
11pm UK time. At my age, I'm not that dedicated...
17 minutes...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth yeah I think Goodhue has shown he has lost another yard of pace so isnt really a viable option at 13 any longer against top flight opposition, so can only be considered a 12, and is he the best, or even 2nd best 12 in NZ?
But I am a big fan of Sullivan though, seems to ooze class.
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It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
So options are Sullian, Fainga’anuku, Ennor?
Does the scenario you explain stay the same when ALB returns or do we play different styles depending on selection/ availability/ opposition -
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
I think I'd prefer Sullivan but Ennor also has pretty good pace and would be closer to a Rieko like for like to the selectors eyes (I think). I can't see Sullivan getting a go - I expect him at 13 for the Maori, which is still a huge leap from where he was last year.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@pakman TJP is who I am thinking of getting the Māori lifeline. This could apply to Weber as well, as it makes sense to have one of them starting against the Irish rather than getting limited minutes off the bench, or not even being in the 23 for the ABs.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
That would make final juicy.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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Here's Liam Napiers squad prediction:
Possible All Blacks squad:
Outside backs: Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Sevu Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku
Midfield: Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, David Havili, Jack Goodhue, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
First fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga, Stephen Perofeta
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, Finlay Christie, Folau Fakatava
Loose forwards: Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Shannon Frizell
Locks: Brodie Retallick, Tupou Vaa'i, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Josh Lord
Hookers: Codie Taylor, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Dane Coles
Props: Ofa Tuungafasi, Nepo Laulala, Ethan de Groot, George Bower, Tyrel Lomax/Angus Ta'avao, Aidan Ross -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
That makes no sense at all, he is the form loose forward in NZ, there is no way Frizzel should be ahead of him.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
That is complete bullshit if he does
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
I'm sure someone else has mentioned it, but that's the last position available in the Crusaders backline. He can't play at fullback as Jordan has a lock on that.
His feet into contact aren't as good as RTS'. His dynamism into contact isn't as good as Tupaea's or Goodhue's. He's not a dominant tackler. He's good at a lot of things and brilliant at Test level at none. His versatility might get him into the squad but he's not a compelling argument to start.
Fozzie will no doubt think differently because he has form for not taking selection risks.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
Fozzie will no doubt think differently because he has form for not taking selection risks.
And then not taking selection risks becomes a risk in itself when you stay with the same old same old
