All Blacks 2022
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I think we only need to look at what Schmidt did with Ireland, I am sure nearly every game we lost the Fern would have had very few Irish in a combined 23 yet they were able to disrupt and beat us. Schmidt showed that 23 players playing with structure and a plan can beat 23 players who arguably have a lot more talent.
The key for the AB's as mentioned is merging the AB's talent with the structure and discipline of the NH sides.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
The key for the AB's as mentioned is merging the AB's talent with the structure and discipline of the NH sides.
And recognising the NH went away after 4 SH Semifinalists in 2015, and got better. Can we do the same? Right now it doesn't look it to be frank, SH is not clearly dominant like we used to be.
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Graham Henry's principles still hold strong
Win your set piece
Get over the gain line on first phaseEverything builds off that
Strong set pieces.
Win collisions on both sides of the ball
Bodies in motion
Make metres in the ruck.
Make teams fear our forwards again
Create opportunities for.our strike weapons, don't hand them the ball and wait for shit to happenIf we do this we'll win heaps, but in all honesty the results don't matter if I can see obvious improvements in the key areas
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
the results don't matter if I can see obvious improvements in the key areas
i just realised i said basically this when talking about the Chiefs first season under Rennie. Who was the previous coach i was talking about? I forget
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Honest question, what do we want from the AB's in 2022/23? How do they evolve to match the strengths of the NH teams and SA. How do we combat the rush defence, low error rates and suffocating play that is so effective against us.
I simply cannot see how the Foster led 2019-2021 ABs can magically change without some fundamental changes.
I would love to hear from the strategists on the Fern of what gameplan and players can help us climb back to the top.
You’ll have more luck finding the yeti or unicorn before you find one of those on here…
My 2 cents:
- winning the Irish series
- development of our loose forward combination
- our midfielders getting through the test season without injury
- seeing Sami, S. Barrett, Sotutu, A. Ioane, Reece, Jordan all take that next step up in their test careers.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
My 2 cents:
winning the Irish series
Three zip. Can't permit them to win here.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Graham Henry's principles still hold strong
Win your set piece
Get over the gain line on first phaseEverything builds off that
Strong set pieces.
Win collisions on both sides of the ball
Bodies in motion
Make metres in the ruck.
Make teams fear our forwards again
Create opportunities for.our strike weapons, don't hand them the ball and wait for shit to happenIf we do this we'll win heaps, but in all honesty the results don't matter if I can see obvious improvements in the key areas
This!
I'd like more plays around the ruck with bodies in motion on both sides of the ball carrier, involving big runners (e.g., Clarke, Fainga'anuku) on the inside ball, and other big athletic bodies (such as Akira, PGS) on the edge outside.
If we can get enough big bodies carrying, we won't need props to do it, we can have a core role/clean job for the fatties, which is about all they are good for.
Bodies in motion causes the defence to make decisions. I can't believe how often as a coach and a player I have to tell people that it isn't a case of waiting until you get the ball to do something.
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@No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece
I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece
I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads
I hope he reverses the Cantablacks and selects all non Crusaders and Will Jordan.
15
JordiePerofeta
14 Jordan
13 RI
12 RTS
11 Caleb Clarke,
10 BB
9 Smith
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Ioane
5 Retallick
4 Vai'i
3 Laulala
2 Taukeiaho
1 Karl TThat would be some head messing right there. Probably a defendable selection by a coach too - unlike the real Cantablacks.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter Only problem with that backline is that a token halfback will have to be selected to go with Jordan, Fainga'anuku and Reece
I’ll hand it to Fozzie, he does know how to mess with some of your heads
I hope he reverses the Cantablacks and selects all non Crusaders and Will Jordan.
15
JordiePerofeta
14 Jordan
13 RI
12 RTS
11 Caleb Clarke,
10 BB
9 Smith
8 Savea
7 Cane
6 Ioane
5 Retallick
4 Vai'i
3 Laulala
2 Taukeiaho
1 Karl TThat would be some head messing right there. Probably a defendable selection by a coach too - unlike the real Cantablacks.
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
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@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
It's not my team ... just a theoretical team that Fozzie could throw together without any Crusaders aside from Jordan - I just threw the first two props I could think of in there.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
It's not my team ... just a theoretical team that Fozzie could throw together without any Crusaders aside from Jordan - I just threw the first two props I could think of in there.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
It's not my team ... just a theoretical team that Fozzie could throw together without any Crusaders aside from Jordan - I just threw the first two props I could think of in there.
Put Perofeta at 15!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
It's not my team ... just a theoretical team that Fozzie could throw together without any Crusaders aside from Jordan - I just threw the first two props I could think of in there.
Put Perofeta at 15!
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
It's not my team ... just a theoretical team that Fozzie could throw together without any Crusaders aside from Jordan - I just threw the first two props I could think of in there.
Put Perofeta at 15!
You have to leave one Crusader in there to reverse the Cantablacks. But yeah I could swap out JB for Perofeta and piss off the Canes fans as well. Done.
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@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
You're the one that's a troll to think a bloke that weighs 113kg is quicker than one that weighs 103kg...
That Lomu bloke at 120kg must have been a bit shit at getting around the paddock then...
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@NZbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
After around a quarter of a century on the Fern I don't think I've ever seem so many gems of wisdom from one poster.
I must be on your ignore list!
Your abilities are no match for the power of the daft side,
I'll give you a debate on rugby & we will soon see who ends up on the daft side... here's a hint, it won't be me.
I’ll check my diary and see when I can make it to the old folks home. Is there a good time of day that doesn’t clash with your favourite talkback shows?
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Honest question, what do we want from the AB's in 2022/23? How do they evolve to match the strengths of the NH teams and SA. How do we combat the rush defence, low error rates and suffocating play that is so effective against us.
I simply cannot see how the Foster led 2019-2021 ABs can magically change without some fundamental changes.
I would love to hear from the strategists on the Fern of what gameplan and players can help us climb back to the top.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Honest question, what do we want from the AB's in 2022/23? How do they evolve to match the strengths of the NH teams and SA. How do we combat the rush defence, low error rates and suffocating play that is so effective against us.
I simply cannot see how the Foster led 2019-2021 ABs can magically change without some fundamental changes.
I would love to hear from the strategists on the Fern of what gameplan and players can help us climb back to the top.
We don’t even have stategists in the NZRFU let alone on the fern.
Too pick a couple of areas worth focussing on
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
Staying calm - don’t look for the ridiculous offload when it is not there, take the contact and look for the next phase, build more pressure, get the defense backpedaling.
More attack up the middle
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Honest question, what do we want from the AB's in 2022/23? How do they evolve to match the strengths of the NH teams and SA. How do we combat the rush defence, low error rates and suffocating play that is so effective against us.
I simply cannot see how the Foster led 2019-2021 ABs can magically change without some fundamental changes.
I would love to hear from the strategists on the Fern of what gameplan and players can help us climb back to the top.
We don’t even have stategists in the NZRFU let alone on the fern.
Too pick a couple of areas worth focussing on
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
Staying calm - don’t look for the ridiculous offload when it is not there, take the contact and look for the next phase, build more pressure, get the defense backpedaling.
More attack up the middle
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
We don’t even have stategists in the NZRFU let alone on the fern.
Too pick a couple of areas worth focussing on
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
Staying calm - don’t look for the ridiculous offload when it is not there, take the contact and look for the next phase, build more pressure, get the defense backpedaling.
More attack up the middle
This 100%, and I think that is how RI has matured as a world class centre. He often takes the contact now and recycles as opposed to always trying push the pass.
I think the NH sides do a great job of building pressure whilst limiting errors.
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@Duluth Yep that's one thing i'd like to see change this season for the All Blacks - bench players picked for impact rather than just cover.
Just because a player is a better starter than another player doesn't mean they are a better bench option. I think the likes of Blackadder and Jacobson are better suited to starting than bench. Papali'i would need to prove he can add impact off of the bench too - he'd be straight into 7 if Cane wasn't available and he can theoretically cover all 3 loose forward roles but he also needs to show he can add impact off of the bench.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth Yep that's one thing i'd like to see change this season for the All Blacks - bench players picked for impact rather than just cover.
Just because a player is a better starter than another player doesn't mean they are a better bench option. I think the likes of Blackadder and Jacobson are better suited to starting than bench. Papali'i would need to prove he can add impact off of the bench too - he'd be straight into 7 if Cane wasn't available and he can theoretically cover all 3 loose forward roles but he also needs to show he can add impact off of the bench.
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon. I absolutely baulk at the idea of players like Havili or Goodhue on the bench. It was under John Mitchell that I think we really led the world by using our bench tactically to provide impact rather than just injury cover - players like big Kees Meeuws coming on with 15 to go used to wreck havoc.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Honest question, what do we want from the AB's in 2022/23? How do they evolve to match the strengths of the NH teams and SA. How do we combat the rush defence, low error rates and suffocating play that is so effective against us.
I simply cannot see how the Foster led 2019-2021 ABs can magically change without some fundamental changes.
I would love to hear from the strategists on the Fern of what gameplan and players can help us climb back to the top.
We don’t even have stategists in the NZRFU let alone on the fern.
Too pick a couple of areas worth focussing on
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
Staying calm - don’t look for the ridiculous offload when it is not there, take the contact and look for the next phase, build more pressure, get the defense backpedaling.
More attack up the middle
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
i think i would roll my eyes less about cards for things like head contact if we were having lots of them for more trivial things, cards for things like "deliberate" knock ons or scrums being treated as almost the same as head contact
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@Crucial it will be be full reds anyway wont it, the 20 min card is gone isnt it?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial it will be be full reds anyway wont it, the 20 min card is gone isnt it?
Is it? I lose track of when these things are trials and when they finish.
They at least will have until August to target Canes knee from a side entry.
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i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
