All Blacks 2022
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to be old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
I figured, as would I.
Hodgman is leaving. That's my prediction.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
Isn’t that what Ross and Bower will get though. They will be in that pressure cooker for 30-40 minutes at a minimum.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Which is bullshit. Firstly if you have committed overseas than that absolutely should count against you. And secondly being under pressure is exactly what these young looseheads need to experience, because it's these guys who are most likely going to come under the blowtorch come the World Cup. Pressure makes diamonds etc
Isn’t that what Ross and Bower will get though. They will be in that pressure cooker for 30-40 minutes at a minimum.
Except Karl T as a safety net is undermining that pressure cooker environment. He's not gonna be there at the world cup.
And it's worth repeating, why pay someone and invest in them (a not insignificant amount of money) when they've committed themselves overseas.
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wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Yeah i'm not saying I agree with the approach - i'm just communicating the rationate. Personally i'd have De Groot in there instead and I'd have Hodgman very close.
I figured, as would I.
Hodgman is leaving. That's my prediction.
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wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
@taniwharugby And Piutau.
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wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
wasnt one of the reasons Luatua wasnt picked was he had signed offshore?
Outside of RWC years, usually if you have signed elsewhere, you miss out.
Not true, they always say they pick the best team available. But if it's close they'll pick the one that's staying. Piutau was not picked cos they wanted someone else. Not saying they always make the right picks, but that is a consistent line from the selectors
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with Lord unfortunately gone for the season, Tom Robinson might eventually earn his way into ABs camp maybe
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
with Lord unfortunately gone for the season, Tom Robinson might eventually earn his way into ABs camp maybe
Source?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
Real shame for Josh but he'll bounce back and be rearing to go come SR 2023
Was playing golf a couple weekends ago and Josh was in the group in front of mine so maybe later in his recovery he can head out to work on his golf game... -
with Lord unfortunately gone for the season, Tom Robinson might eventually earn his way into ABs camp maybe
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
with Lord unfortunately gone for the season, Tom Robinson might eventually earn his way into ABs camp maybe
Seems strange not to replace Lord, even with a lock. Surely it's worth looking at someone?
Adding Robinson would at least put pressure on Vaai to perform as the lock/blindside and give an option to replace him if he gets injured.
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Poor buggar, that must be heartbreaking.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to be old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Foster has been pretty clear that a big reason for Karl over Ethan is they play Ireland 3 times then the Boks 2 times in their first 5 tests.
They already have 2 relative newbies at loosehead (Bower, Ross) - they didn't want a 3rd and see Karl as the strongest scrummaging loosehead in NZ.
It's very clear Ethan will come into the picture once Karl is off.
Not having a go at you, but that implies that Karl is the winning and losing of the series, as we don't have good enough looseheads behind him. That won't change if the next set of players don't get to play against the best scrummagers this year, rather than next. It also means that he has hitched his ride to Moody. It's nice to be old in the current ABs, you can have a guaranteed spot even if you're on the decline.
Don’t tell the poster formerly known as Redbeard or all these other so called hard men on here that props aren’t the difference…
I don’t think it implies that at all. My guess is that they’ve done an assessment of what they’ve seen in Super rugby and balanced that up with what they know about the Irish and said we can’t have 3 greenish looseheads so we need one experienced one involved.
Some will say that’s a pox on development or just a cattle issue or just an unfortunate thing with our frontline loosehead out. That can be debated, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have an experienced guy in the mix. How much he plays will be interesting.
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“Ethan de Groot turned [Ofa] Tuungafasi inside out the other week, and then they turn around and say he's not fit enough.
"What the hell have their so-called trainers been doing all year, keeping in touch with these players??
Add Loe to the list of punters waiting in the wings for the ABs to fail to justify his opinion.
@ACT-Crusader Or maybe he knows a thing or two about the tight five and their past performances and can see the impotence of this present coaching staff.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
with Lord unfortunately gone for the season, Tom Robinson might eventually earn his way into ABs camp maybe
Seems strange not to replace Lord, even with a lock. Surely it's worth looking at someone?
Adding Robinson would at least put pressure on Vaai to perform as the lock/blindside and give an option to replace him if he gets injured.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
with Lord unfortunately gone for the season, Tom Robinson might eventually earn his way into ABs camp maybe
Seems strange not to replace Lord, even with a lock. Surely it's worth looking at someone?
Adding Robinson would at least put pressure on Vaai to perform as the lock/blindside and give an option to replace him if he gets injured.
There’s quite a bit in the Players agreement around being named in the first squad of the season. If they really needed someone else they would call them in but it does complicate things slightly
