All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Things are going from bad to worse in terms of preparation. I know the team is putting on a brave face but disruption is never good especially when the AB's are most vulnerable in their first test of the June series.
I had picked AB's to clean sweep based on the strength of Super Rugby and an end of season 5-Test series for the Irish (Maori's may as well be test matches) but now I think that's narrowed.
TAB still has us at $1.27 and Ireland at $3.60 - anyone know what the odds were before covid struck?
That's good money for Ireland!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Things are going from bad to worse in terms of preparation. I know the team is putting on a brave face but disruption is never good especially when the AB's are most vulnerable in their first test of the June series.
I had picked AB's to clean sweep based on the strength of Super Rugby and an end of season 5-Test series for the Irish (Maori's may as well be test matches) but now I think that's narrowed.
TAB still has us at $1.27 and Ireland at $3.60 - anyone know what the odds were before covid struck?
That's good money for Ireland!
It was $4.20 a few days back
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
lol i love AB fans
We have Jordan, Reece, and Clarke, players very much to top tier international talent. And that's with the long established left wing now a centre. 3 players and an emergency for two positions
But yeah, we have a depth problem because there isn't another top level winger or two just ready to bring in.
I reckon the Blues boys wouldn't look out of place, and Rayasi could be lethal as well.
It's not just about plucking a good winger, it's also about balance of the back 3 as a unit. Jordan, J.Barrett & Reece/Clarke/Fainga'anuku has a great balance basically playing two fullbacks and a power winger.
With Jordan out (and no Bridge) to maintain that balance you'd prob have to put Beaudy at the back and shift Jordie to 14 which is not ideal. What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
You don't think Faainganuku is a power winger?
Anyway, I think Reece has the work rate and skill to make sure the back 3 has a decent balance.
Kicking is certainly a concern though, Tupaea is far from a traditional second five. If it's wet we could be in a bit of trouble if it turns into a kickfest.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute
thats the key isnt it....this is where we seem to have struggled in recent times, possibly the cattle unable to execute or the game plan not best suited to the cattle
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Things are going from bad to worse in terms of preparation. I know the team is putting on a brave face but disruption is never good especially when the AB's are most vulnerable in their first test of the June series.
I had picked AB's to clean sweep based on the strength of Super Rugby and an end of season 5-Test series for the Irish (Maori's may as well be test matches) but now I think that's narrowed.
The probability of disruption like this was very high given every Super team experienced it at some point this year.
Ireland also have a COVID case.
So I don’t think it will phase them too much. I’m sure they had their first choice lineup in mind, but next man up which is something you always have to plan for with last minute injuries, illness etc.
The worst disruption will be if the Media Manager gets COVID and doesn’t publish the team list on Thursday. Then we are in trouble.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
The worst disruption will be if the Media Manager gets COVID and doesn’t publish the team list on Thursday. Then we are in trouble.
The lazy fluffybunny won't be doing it at 0600 like the good old days, sadly
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
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More than the individuals i'm more worried about the attacking shape.
Of course test 1 will be rusty and i'm imagining they will keep things quite simple with a limited/disrupted build up i'm just hoping to see some variety in the attacking shape. Yes some better ball carriers will help but we need to put them in positions to succeed - bodies in motion, variety etc to get the Irish defense line on the back foot a tad.
Just biffing it out to a forward/forward pod isn't going to achieve much.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
Nah. I was thinking George someone…..not Whitelock
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More than the individuals i'm more worried about the attacking shape.
Of course test 1 will be rusty and i'm imagining they will keep things quite simple with a limited/disrupted build up i'm just hoping to see some variety in the attacking shape. Yes some better ball carriers will help but we need to put them in positions to succeed - bodies in motion, variety etc to get the Irish defense line on the back foot a tad.
Just biffing it out to a forward/forward pod isn't going to achieve much.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
More than the individuals i'm more worried about the attacking shape.
Of course test 1 will be rusty and i'm imagining they will keep things quite simple with a limited/disrupted build up i'm just hoping to see some variety in the attacking shape. Yes some better ball carriers will help but we need to put them in positions to succeed - bodies in motion, variety etc to get the Irish defense line on the back foot a tad.
Just biffing it out to a forward/forward pod isn't going to achieve much.
I’m more concerned about the defence.
The Ireland attack structure is all about forcing correct decisions. Combos and communication will be critical. -
More than the individuals i'm more worried about the attacking shape.
Of course test 1 will be rusty and i'm imagining they will keep things quite simple with a limited/disrupted build up i'm just hoping to see some variety in the attacking shape. Yes some better ball carriers will help but we need to put them in positions to succeed - bodies in motion, variety etc to get the Irish defense line on the back foot a tad.
Just biffing it out to a forward/forward pod isn't going to achieve much.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Just biffing it out to a forward/forward pod isn't going to achieve much.
Welcome to Fozzie ball.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
Nah. I was thinking George someone…..not Whitelock
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
Nah. I was thinking George someone…..not Whitelock
Nope, got nothing. George 'Brett' Cameron?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
Nah. I was thinking George someone…..not Whitelock
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
What's less ideal is playing two power wingers.
i reckon that thinking is 5 years out of date
and i would struggle to call many of those blokes "power" wingers. The only power winger is also really good under the high ball.
The way the ABs set up defensively we tend to drop our 1st 5 back to help with the kick reception plus to get 3 or even 4 players behind the ball to counter from. So you want strong attackers out wide, and for me it doesn’t matter whether they get over the gain line by tackle busts or beating their man by stepping or outside pace. Either creates opportunities.
I think the whole Dagg/Mils, Dagg/Bender, Jane, Jordie etc was more about getting the best players on the field and then having the gameplan that those players with their skill sets could execute.
Henry didn’t mind the Rok/Sivi combo from time to time either.
Who was that Cantab that had these qualities in abundance? Recent AB? Amazing work under the high ball too.
Dan Carter would be the last one.
Nah. I was thinking George someone…..not Whitelock
He actually did have that game back in 18-19, which probably seems like an eternity ago for young George
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First post here on SF btw. So far not ideal preparation but hopefully the situation can galvanise us. Given the forwards at this stage are in effected, I would go with a backline of;
- A Smith
- B Barrett
- C Clarke
- Q Tupaea
- R Ioane
- S Reece
- J Barrett
Bench:
Fakatava, M’unga, Fainga’anukuPretty decent and plenty of go forward
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First post here on SF btw. So far not ideal preparation but hopefully the situation can galvanise us. Given the forwards at this stage are in effected, I would go with a backline of;
- A Smith
- B Barrett
- C Clarke
- Q Tupaea
- R Ioane
- S Reece
- J Barrett
Bench:
Fakatava, M’unga, Fainga’anukuPretty decent and plenty of go forward
@The-Docter Welcome!
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@The-Docter Welcome!
@KiwiMurph cheers Mate!
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I can’t wait to see Fozzies new plan to beat the rushing defense.
Or am I going to be bitterly disappointed again by the smarts of the coaching team.@Chris To be fair, in the end Hansen never figured it ou either. For me, aside from tactics, we need more ball runners who can challenge the line, ie more ball running forwards, at least one big midfielder who runs hard, think Nonu, and and a powerful left wing, Leister or Caleb in the team . Also, we need our 10 to also run on to the ball, rather than deep and shovel it on.
