All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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@Victor-Meldrew I’m not sure the Mils or Dagg to wing moves were any more logical or illogical than Jordie to the wing
From my armchair, Jerry to number 8 was a case of getting him in the side whilst the captain - a very good captain, a win the Bledisloe back after 5 long years captain - played in his position (sounds familiar aye)
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
I’m not sure the Mils or Dagg to wing moves were any more logical or illogical than Jordie to the wing
Mils was playing wing for the Blues way back in 2001 - 2 years before his test debut.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
This conversation is driving me fucking nuts.
We're playing a lock at 6 to hopefully make up for the fact that we are playing an impact 7 at 8.
At what point are the selectors going to man up and make a choice that it would be better for AB rugby to lose Ardie Savea, so that we could get some fucking balance?
Fuck him if he leaves because he has to play off the bench. We'd be better off.
So if Ardie is a 7 playing at 8, why is he picked in world VXs at 8, why does he look to be the first player named in any super team while playing at 8? He is a pretty capable 8, and because he can also play 7 doesn't stop him being a bloody good 8. Who has said he will bugger off if he is on bench, that is just making shit up and seemingly trying to make Ardie look like an arsehole.
People pick World XVs based in highlight reels. Just watch him play and how he never shifts bodies at rucks. Always leans or one out. Isn't tall enough to be a good option for lineputs.
Those are considerable gaps to be overcome in a loose forward trio.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
This conversation is driving me fucking nuts.
We're playing a lock at 6 to hopefully make up for the fact that we are playing an impact 7 at 8.
At what point are the selectors going to man up and make a choice that it would be better for AB rugby to lose Ardie Savea, so that we could get some fucking balance?
Fuck him if he leaves because he has to play off the bench. We'd be better off.
So if Ardie is a 7 playing at 8, why is he picked in world VXs at 8, why does he look to be the first player named in any super team while playing at 8? He is a pretty capable 8, and because he can also play 7 doesn't stop him being a bloody good 8. Who has said he will bugger off if he is on bench, that is just making shit up and seemingly trying to make Ardie look like an arsehole.
People pick World XVs based in highlight reels. Just watch him play and how he never shifts bodies at rucks. Always leans or one out. Isn't tall enough to be a good option for lineputs.
Those are considerable gaps to be overcome in a loose forward trio.
The fac that he's twice been the ABs Player's Player of the year means I call bollox. I have my biases, as do we all, but the All Blacks players themselves have a pretty good fucking idea of who is doing the mahi for the team. I do agree that playing him is 8 (fine plonking him on the back of the scrum on attack) is stupid. The key point is the coaches are bunch of pussies who can't grip it and select a decent team. So the fanny about and just put the 'best palyers' where ever they could possibly fit
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
This conversation is driving me fucking nuts.
We're playing a lock at 6 to hopefully make up for the fact that we are playing an impact 7 at 8.
At what point are the selectors going to man up and make a choice that it would be better for AB rugby to lose Ardie Savea, so that we could get some fucking balance?
Fuck him if he leaves because he has to play off the bench. We'd be better off.
So if Ardie is a 7 playing at 8, why is he picked in world VXs at 8, why does he look to be the first player named in any super team while playing at 8? He is a pretty capable 8, and because he can also play 7 doesn't stop him being a bloody good 8. Who has said he will bugger off if he is on bench, that is just making shit up and seemingly trying to make Ardie look like an arsehole.
People pick World XVs based in highlight reels. Just watch him play and how he never shifts bodies at rucks. Always leans or one out. Isn't tall enough to be a good option for lineputs.
Those are considerable gaps to be overcome in a loose forward trio.
The fac that he's twice been the ABs Player's Player of the year means I call bollox. I have my biases, as do we all, but the All Blacks players themselves have a pretty good fucking idea of who is doing the mahi for the team. I do agree that playing him is 8 (fine plonking him on the back of the scrum on attack) is stupid. The key point is the coaches are bunch of pussies who can't grip it and select a decent team. So the fanny about and just put the 'best palyers' where ever they could possibly fit
sam winders was silverferns players player last year and look were she is now
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
This conversation is driving me fucking nuts.
We're playing a lock at 6 to hopefully make up for the fact that we are playing an impact 7 at 8.
At what point are the selectors going to man up and make a choice that it would be better for AB rugby to lose Ardie Savea, so that we could get some fucking balance?
Fuck him if he leaves because he has to play off the bench. We'd be better off.
So if Ardie is a 7 playing at 8, why is he picked in world VXs at 8, why does he look to be the first player named in any super team while playing at 8? He is a pretty capable 8, and because he can also play 7 doesn't stop him being a bloody good 8. Who has said he will bugger off if he is on bench, that is just making shit up and seemingly trying to make Ardie look like an arsehole.
People pick World XVs based in highlight reels. Just watch him play and how he never shifts bodies at rucks. Always leans or one out. Isn't tall enough to be a good option for lineputs.
Those are considerable gaps to be overcome in a loose forward trio.
You do know the world xv (the only one I use as it is a World Rugby one) is picked by the a panel including Richie McCaw, Terry Dustoir,, Joe Smit, Ugo Moyne etc etc, I know I know how would these lot know more about what makes a good international rugby player than those who who inhabit forums etc., but there you go they just look at a few highlights and pick team no doubt.
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@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Question for you Kiwis. Who, if any of the Irish would ye take in an AB team?
I'm nervous about this first test... I just hope it's a close game and we don't get pumped.
Easy. Henshaw at 12 has the runs on the board over Tupaea. Also Porter and Furlong at prop.
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@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Question for you Kiwis. Who, if any of the Irish would ye take in an AB team?
I'm nervous about this first test... I just hope it's a close game and we don't get pumped.
Furlong and Porter. Also the injured Leinster hooker Kelleher is a good player. Doris was very good vs the ABs last year but he’s been less impressive this year. Henshaw is a very good player. I rate the FB Keenan but probably not enough on attack. I think Ryan after a good first season has faded a bit.
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I’ll wait and see how things pan out but as I’ve posted a few times not convinced by our props in the squad. The loose forwards are a mystery, not convinced PGS can post error-free test match footy. Grace has had a fantastic end to the season and is a genuine line out option like Read before him. Same can not be said of players like Savea. Hope Leicester goes well as I have doubts too.
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If it's wet and tight (ooh err missus) I'd take sexcockwomble over Beaudy, but I think the weather is ok.
I'd take one of their loosies over Barrett, anyone of them. I'd be tempted with Bierne instead of BBBR, unless Brodie really steps it back to the good old days
O'Aki over Ennor, Healy instead of Angus, Murray not Christie
South some of those above, is coming upto half the 23
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Blue sky, warm weather, sun out - an advertiseent for afternoon rugby.
Looking forward to this. Hopefully we're all wrong, Retallick and Whitelock step back up physically, ScoBa is awesome at 6, the backs unlock the rush defence and we dont get compromised in the linout. Fingers crossed!
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An interesting interview with O'Gara re tonight's test. He claims SH team follow the man on D whereas Ireland and the North follow the ball. He believes with enough bodies in motion NZ defensive players get confused and allow space and opportunity.
He also made reference that the NZ backline has not got a lot of minutes together and if Ireland take away time and space it should be interesting.
He also talked about players needing minutes in the position they play in test matches, he said you shouldn't be playing a different position for your club and expecting to have the skills for that position come test time.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
This conversation is driving me fucking nuts.
We're playing a lock at 6 to hopefully make up for the fact that we are playing an impact 7 at 8.
At what point are the selectors going to man up and make a choice that it would be better for AB rugby to lose Ardie Savea, so that we could get some fucking balance?
Fuck him if he leaves because he has to play off the bench. We'd be better off.
So if Ardie is a 7 playing at 8, why is he picked in world VXs at 8, why does he look to be the first player named in any super team while playing at 8? He is a pretty capable 8, and because he can also play 7 doesn't stop him being a bloody good 8. Who has said he will bugger off if he is on bench, that is just making shit up and seemingly trying to make Ardie look like an arsehole.
People pick World XVs based in highlight reels. Just watch him play and how he never shifts bodies at rucks. Always leans or one out. Isn't tall enough to be a good option for lineputs.
Those are considerable gaps to be overcome in a loose forward trio.
Or based on sympathy.
Sergio Parisse got picked in lots of them despite over 100 test losses.
