All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
That changes everything and it is still possible because we can still beat anyone on our day ,
but does anyone believe we are travelling down the best possible path to achieve that ?
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
We are clueless, we still have no idea how to deal with the rush defence...we kick largely aimlessly, we attack the same channel again and again while thier defence simply presses up and smothers us over and over, until we drop the ball or kick the ball.
Some selection issues, I think largely the team is there and is good enough (but age is definitely a factor) the coaches seem to lack the ability to read the game and use subs accordingly.
Then there is the rules around accidental head contacts, I absolutely get the need to protect the head, but accidental head contacts do not warrant a red card, they should be for filth acts..
And then there is the ridiculous rule that saw Ardie go off too, I didn't know that one, but leaving that aside, what is the point of the rule? Why is he not even allowed to be subbed back later?
Sure the fact we are average as hell at present is a factor, but I really don't enjoy watching much rugby beyond club footy or Northland like i used to (although I have a love hate issue there too, but it is different...)
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
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@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
He may not be the biggest problem and, on it's own, getting rid of him might simply delay facing up to, or obscure, the real root cause of poor performance. Let's not simply shift deckchairs a la Titanic and avoid facing up to the real issues. Probably better to actually understand where and what the mess is before deciding on who should fix it. And no, that's not a Foster endorsement.
At times we play bloody well and the next week we are crap. One week our tactics are great, the next they aren't, one week Leicester is great, the next he isn't. It's simplistic to put all that down to one man.
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@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
Four more years
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
Four more years
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
Four more years
... unless the draw opens up for us. Miracles happen at world cups. 2007 SA got knockout games against Fiji Argentina England. I'd back us to win those.
And this is how far off the pace we are. Hoping for a good draw, rather than actually playing dominant rugby consistently. Going to be a long couple of years
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@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
We are clueless, we still have no idea how to deal with the rush defence...we kick largely aimlessly, we attack the same channel again and again while thier defence simply presses up and smothers us over and over, until we drop the ball or kick the ball.
Some selection issues, I think largely the team is there and is good enough (but age is definitely a factor) the coaches seem to lack the ability to read the game and use subs accordingly.
Then there is the rules around accidental head contacts, I absolutely get the need to protect the head, but accidental head contacts do not warrant a red card, they should be for filth acts..
And then there is the ridiculous rule that saw Ardie go off too, I didn't know that one, but leaving that aside, what is the point of the rule? Why is he not even allowed to be subbed back later?
Sure the fact we are average as hell at present is a factor, but I really don't enjoy watching much rugby beyond club footy or Northland like i used to (although I have a love hate issue there too, but it is different...)
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
Tends to happen when you get used to losing, I am the same, used to be gutted after a loss, but now I hate to say its normal.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
Tends to happen when you get used to losing, I am the same, used to be gutted after a loss, but now I hate to say its normal.
@chimoaus dunno, I still get annoyed when Northland lose, so you'd think I'd be used to it.
I think the entertainment factor is dropping, we are no longer innovative, we are no longer leaders, we are now followers, and you know what, we are shit at this too cos we haven't adapted any of the methods working for other teams too, we stay in our lane, every now and then pop into the fast lane, but always drift back into the slow lane ready for the inevitable break down.
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@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
We are clueless, we still have no idea how to deal with the rush defence...we kick largely aimlessly, we attack the same channel again and again while thier defence simply presses up and smothers us over and over, until we drop the ball or kick the ball.
Some selection issues, I think largely the team is there and is good enough (but age is definitely a factor) the coaches seem to lack the ability to read the game and use subs accordingly.
Then there is the rules around accidental head contacts, I absolutely get the need to protect the head, but accidental head contacts do not warrant a red card, they should be for filth acts..
And then there is the ridiculous rule that saw Ardie go off too, I didn't know that one, but leaving that aside, what is the point of the rule? Why is he not even allowed to be subbed back later?
Sure the fact we are average as hell at present is a factor, but I really don't enjoy watching much rugby beyond club footy or Northland like i used to (although I have a love hate issue there too, but it is different...)
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
I the same tanuwha, I call it maturing, when I was young I would get pissed off when ABs or other teams I followed lost, and then one day I realised that no we don't have the automatic right to win, and there is a reason it's called sport, because it's a contest and ni guarantees! I actually believe I enjoyed the game a lot more after I came to that conclusion!
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Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
I the same tanuwha, I call it maturing, when I was young I would get pissed off when ABs or other teams I followed lost, and then one day I realised that no we don't have the automatic right to win, and there is a reason it's called sport, because it's a contest and ni guarantees! I actually believe I enjoyed the game a lot more after I came to that conclusion!
@Dan54 nah, it's different in recent years, I barely care any more, I still care when Northland loses, but I find myself not caring about AB losses in recent years...it more about frustration through lack of learning (I can assure you Northland make all of the errors that the national.side do, and more at coaching, selection and play)
I don't know what it is, part maturity maybe....
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Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
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It was always a big risk going for a average super rugby coach as AB head coach. I hoped his coaching team would overcome Fosters limitations. But it seems it hasn't.
Now I don't know. After a golden spell with great players are NZs results just reflecting our current limited players. Or a rubbish head coach. Either was if they loss the third test next week maybe it's time to consider a change of at least our head coach. Or maybe a bigger clean out. Starting with Foster
It's unlikely to happen though. About nil chancce
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@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
There’s no Sean Fitzpatricks on here. I for one would select quite a few Irish players in a combined XV
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That was about the worst AB defeat since a good while. Tried the exact same tactics as last week and surprise surprise Ireland has adapted.
LF had an absolute shocker and I have no idea what PGS is doing near the ABs. The guy can’t do the basics. Also the DP fan club he was totally and utterly outplayed by Doris and POM.
No tactics just rely on skill. ABs where is the discipline.
One change you can guarantee is WJ starting the next game.
Worst AB coach since mains.
Only bright side was Fakatava.
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@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
Razor has a clear way he gets the Saders to play. Everyone seems to be very sure of their roles and they all function harmoniously as part of the wider team. These are things you can't say about the ABs right now. Things we need
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Posting quickly before going back through the thread.
Disappointing result but not unforeseen.
Like last week I'd suggest the margin was flattering to the winners, especially given the cards.
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen. He made no effort to tackle and just happened to be in the space that Ringrose ran into.
I get the requirement to avoid direct contact to the head, but wandering across in cover and some bloke clatters in to you unexpectedly is hardly worth a Red.
Where was the ball carrier's responsibility to avoid head contact?
Reckon he'll be out longer with concussion than what he gets at the judiciary.
On the upside I'd also expect Newell to get a call up.
Am a little miffed at LF's YC for similar reasons, but he did at least launch himself at the player.
Also, repeating my pissedoffedness at the substitution debacle. Admittedly once they got Ofa back on they had to drag someone so not as bad as I first thought, but why swap out a loosie when there was no need? They could not play Ross on the TH, as he was the nominated LH.
So, down to 13 you've got to admire the D to prevent any points being scored. But you've got to think playing for 60+ minutes with less than a full complement the result between two balanced sides was kind of inevitable.
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
- We're still too porous on defence. That first try seemed a carbon copy of last week. Couple of easy breaks then try and defend the inevitable.
Not sure if coaching:
- Handling skills. WTF? Is this the players or are they being asked to catch the impossible?
Positive Learnings*:
- Despite my whinge about defence above, our D against an extra man was commendable.
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
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Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.43 posts in total. And didn't watch either test. I enjoyed your post though. Even though it seems like a pointless piss take
