All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
Four more years
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
Four more years
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb don’t think it is possible. Based on our recent hx we might win 2 then lose one which is Fosters percentage. I don’t think we can beat any team on our day let alone 3 good teams in a row.
I still think we can beat anyone on our day , we beat Ireland last week , we beat South Africa last year , maybe a question mark over France , but agree we can’t maintain a consistency to win 3 big games in successive weeks . I can’t see that happening right now for sure .
Four more years
... unless the draw opens up for us. Miracles happen at world cups. 2007 SA got knockout games against Fiji Argentina England. I'd back us to win those.
And this is how far off the pace we are. Hoping for a good draw, rather than actually playing dominant rugby consistently. Going to be a long couple of years
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@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
We are clueless, we still have no idea how to deal with the rush defence...we kick largely aimlessly, we attack the same channel again and again while thier defence simply presses up and smothers us over and over, until we drop the ball or kick the ball.
Some selection issues, I think largely the team is there and is good enough (but age is definitely a factor) the coaches seem to lack the ability to read the game and use subs accordingly.
Then there is the rules around accidental head contacts, I absolutely get the need to protect the head, but accidental head contacts do not warrant a red card, they should be for filth acts..
And then there is the ridiculous rule that saw Ardie go off too, I didn't know that one, but leaving that aside, what is the point of the rule? Why is he not even allowed to be subbed back later?
Sure the fact we are average as hell at present is a factor, but I really don't enjoy watching much rugby beyond club footy or Northland like i used to (although I have a love hate issue there too, but it is different...)
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
Tends to happen when you get used to losing, I am the same, used to be gutted after a loss, but now I hate to say its normal.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
Tends to happen when you get used to losing, I am the same, used to be gutted after a loss, but now I hate to say its normal.
@chimoaus dunno, I still get annoyed when Northland lose, so you'd think I'd be used to it.
I think the entertainment factor is dropping, we are no longer innovative, we are no longer leaders, we are now followers, and you know what, we are shit at this too cos we haven't adapted any of the methods working for other teams too, we stay in our lane, every now and then pop into the fast lane, but always drift back into the slow lane ready for the inevitable break down.
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@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
We are clueless, we still have no idea how to deal with the rush defence...we kick largely aimlessly, we attack the same channel again and again while thier defence simply presses up and smothers us over and over, until we drop the ball or kick the ball.
Some selection issues, I think largely the team is there and is good enough (but age is definitely a factor) the coaches seem to lack the ability to read the game and use subs accordingly.
Then there is the rules around accidental head contacts, I absolutely get the need to protect the head, but accidental head contacts do not warrant a red card, they should be for filth acts..
And then there is the ridiculous rule that saw Ardie go off too, I didn't know that one, but leaving that aside, what is the point of the rule? Why is he not even allowed to be subbed back later?
Sure the fact we are average as hell at present is a factor, but I really don't enjoy watching much rugby beyond club footy or Northland like i used to (although I have a love hate issue there too, but it is different...)
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
I the same tanuwha, I call it maturing, when I was young I would get pissed off when ABs or other teams I followed lost, and then one day I realised that no we don't have the automatic right to win, and there is a reason it's called sport, because it's a contest and ni guarantees! I actually believe I enjoyed the game a lot more after I came to that conclusion!
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Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb I cannot see us winning next week bar us wetting all of our powder.
I actually am not that bothered we lost, we didnt deserve it, we simply have no idea at present, whereas years gone by I'd be pissed off.
I the same tanuwha, I call it maturing, when I was young I would get pissed off when ABs or other teams I followed lost, and then one day I realised that no we don't have the automatic right to win, and there is a reason it's called sport, because it's a contest and ni guarantees! I actually believe I enjoyed the game a lot more after I came to that conclusion!
@Dan54 nah, it's different in recent years, I barely care any more, I still care when Northland loses, but I find myself not caring about AB losses in recent years...it more about frustration through lack of learning (I can assure you Northland make all of the errors that the national.side do, and more at coaching, selection and play)
I don't know what it is, part maturity maybe....
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Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
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It was always a big risk going for a average super rugby coach as AB head coach. I hoped his coaching team would overcome Fosters limitations. But it seems it hasn't.
Now I don't know. After a golden spell with great players are NZs results just reflecting our current limited players. Or a rubbish head coach. Either was if they loss the third test next week maybe it's time to consider a change of at least our head coach. Or maybe a bigger clean out. Starting with Foster
It's unlikely to happen though. About nil chancce
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@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
There’s no Sean Fitzpatricks on here. I for one would select quite a few Irish players in a combined XV
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That was about the worst AB defeat since a good while. Tried the exact same tactics as last week and surprise surprise Ireland has adapted.
LF had an absolute shocker and I have no idea what PGS is doing near the ABs. The guy can’t do the basics. Also the DP fan club he was totally and utterly outplayed by Doris and POM.
No tactics just rely on skill. ABs where is the discipline.
One change you can guarantee is WJ starting the next game.
Worst AB coach since mains.
Only bright side was Fakatava.
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@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.Nobody here is making any excuses, every poster to a man is stating that Ireland is unequivocally a much better team than the ABs right now. Better coaches, better gameplan, better forwards, just better across the park. So the discussion has turned to how do we improve, and getting rid of our head coach who has absolutely no track record of success at ANY level is the first step.
Razor has a clear way he gets the Saders to play. Everyone seems to be very sure of their roles and they all function harmoniously as part of the wider team. These are things you can't say about the ABs right now. Things we need
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Posting quickly before going back through the thread.
Disappointing result but not unforeseen.
Like last week I'd suggest the margin was flattering to the winners, especially given the cards.
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen. He made no effort to tackle and just happened to be in the space that Ringrose ran into.
I get the requirement to avoid direct contact to the head, but wandering across in cover and some bloke clatters in to you unexpectedly is hardly worth a Red.
Where was the ball carrier's responsibility to avoid head contact?
Reckon he'll be out longer with concussion than what he gets at the judiciary.
On the upside I'd also expect Newell to get a call up.
Am a little miffed at LF's YC for similar reasons, but he did at least launch himself at the player.
Also, repeating my pissedoffedness at the substitution debacle. Admittedly once they got Ofa back on they had to drag someone so not as bad as I first thought, but why swap out a loosie when there was no need? They could not play Ross on the TH, as he was the nominated LH.
So, down to 13 you've got to admire the D to prevent any points being scored. But you've got to think playing for 60+ minutes with less than a full complement the result between two balanced sides was kind of inevitable.
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
- We're still too porous on defence. That first try seemed a carbon copy of last week. Couple of easy breaks then try and defend the inevitable.
Not sure if coaching:
- Handling skills. WTF? Is this the players or are they being asked to catch the impossible?
Positive Learnings*:
- Despite my whinge about defence above, our D against an extra man was commendable.
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
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Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.@The-Irishman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hello folks, been awhile! I never saw the game, nor last weeks either, only the brief highlights on YouTube. The comment section on YouTube is in stark contrast to the comments in here. I must direct that poster to the fern
Gracious indeed.43 posts in total. And didn't watch either test. I enjoyed your post though. Even though it seems like a pointless piss take
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I don't care how good this Irish side is, we played shit and have been playing shit since 2018-ish. That's not disrespectful to the opposition. No one thinks Foster is a good coach, so why is it disrespectful to say we played like headless chickens?
Prediction: Foster sneaks a win in this series and the Bled then gets bundled out of the RWC in the quarters or semis and retires. And that's being highly optimistic.
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So what needs to change? They need a different TH but with the squad options and the suspension for the RC, will have to be Ofa. Stick the chiefs hooker in or at least bring him on earlier. PT should be nowhere near the 23, maybe Vaa’i. Loose forward mix was not right. We could bring akira in but he’s not a line out option. Anyone but PGS on the bench, maybe sotutu.
In the backs, the best FB in SR was will Jordan he can go to 15. Either drop Jordie or move him to 12. No doubt they will play Jordan at 14 though. Havili or Goodhue into 12, if only to shore up the porous defence.
Tactics: earn the right to go wide. Where are the pick n goes, the blindside snipes, the kicking for touch rather than handing back possession? Play territory but tramlines not mindless midfield hoofs. Once players sucked in then use the wide pass.
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Posting quickly before going back through the thread.
Disappointing result but not unforeseen.
Like last week I'd suggest the margin was flattering to the winners, especially given the cards.
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen. He made no effort to tackle and just happened to be in the space that Ringrose ran into.
I get the requirement to avoid direct contact to the head, but wandering across in cover and some bloke clatters in to you unexpectedly is hardly worth a Red.
Where was the ball carrier's responsibility to avoid head contact?
Reckon he'll be out longer with concussion than what he gets at the judiciary.
On the upside I'd also expect Newell to get a call up.
Am a little miffed at LF's YC for similar reasons, but he did at least launch himself at the player.
Also, repeating my pissedoffedness at the substitution debacle. Admittedly once they got Ofa back on they had to drag someone so not as bad as I first thought, but why swap out a loosie when there was no need? They could not play Ross on the TH, as he was the nominated LH.
So, down to 13 you've got to admire the D to prevent any points being scored. But you've got to think playing for 60+ minutes with less than a full complement the result between two balanced sides was kind of inevitable.
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
- We're still too porous on defence. That first try seemed a carbon copy of last week. Couple of easy breaks then try and defend the inevitable.
Not sure if coaching:
- Handling skills. WTF? Is this the players or are they being asked to catch the impossible?
Positive Learnings*:
- Despite my whinge about defence above, our D against an extra man was commendable.
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
