All Blacks 2022
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph and we wonder why players go overseas, they must look at the AB's and think they have no chance
the real issue is that when the All Black jersey loses its pull, the exodus will be massive. There is big money overseas, and we just can't compete financially. We're already seeing the hollowing out effect - for 2019 the play of Luatua, Vito, Piutau, Faumauina would have plugged the holes in the squad.
Fair play to NZR, the silver lake deal in hindsight looks better and better. Cash in while yuo can
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph and we wonder why players go overseas, they must look at the AB's and think they have no chance
the real issue is that when the All Black jersey loses its pull, the exodus will be massive. There is big money overseas, and we just can't compete financially. We're already seeing the hollowing out effect - for 2019 the play of Luatua, Vito, Piutau, Faumauina would have plugged the holes in the squad.
Fair play to NZR, the silver lake deal in hindsight looks better and better. Cash in while yuo can
We saw that in 07 as well with an exodus of players too.
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Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
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Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
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@KiwiMurph is it part of the "too cool to care" culture?
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Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
Fantastic! Another 'learning'!
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Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
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Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
That has to be a wind up surely?
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Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
@Unite said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
Additionally, compare and contrast NZ analysis with some of the Irish rugby media's technical analysis on Twitter...Murray Kinsella, Brett Igoe, Bernard Jackman.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
Additionally, compare and contrast NZ analysis with some of the Irish rugby media's technical analysis on Twitter...Murray Kinsella, Brett Igoe, Bernard Jackman.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
Additionally, compare and contrast NZ analysis with some of the Irish rugby media's technical analysis on Twitter...Murray Kinsella, Brett Igoe, Bernard Jackman.
Who do NZ have...John Kirwan. Would be v interesting if Wilson et al could get a ref on the Breakdown to look at some of Ireland's tactics from the weekend. The best compliment you can pay Ireland is that they are playing on the edge of legality at times...something that ppl used to say about NZ.
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I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
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I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
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I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
I can't imagine Foster wants the ABs to lose as they are or lose as many records as he has. He's a proud guy who was a senior member of the coaching team that won a RWC.
But someone has to hold him to account, internally and externally. The players are fighting for him still (as evidenced by the energy going into the scramble defence which is all about how much the players want it), but I'm intrigued to know if they truly believe in the gameplan they are being asked to play. Is too much responsibility being delegated to the players on how the ABs should play? If so, does Foster have the ability to get the players to follow his gameplan, not theirs?
Maybe Foster believes that NZ don't have the cattle to win an attritional forward battle these days. Strike moves within 3-4 phases and unstructured, broken field play are hallmarks of his team. Give the ball back to the opposition otherwise and wait for a mistake. Only the opposition aren't making mistakes and the ABs are giving away penalties from the resulting pressure, which means poor territory which gives the opposition more chances to have a crack with less risk. Which just adds to the pressure the ABs are putting themselves under.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high. This soaking defensive approach is incredibly tiring for the players. ABs used to finish strongly, but I think they are knackered playing this way. We saw it last year against SA, and even Oz at times. We saw it in November against Ireland and France. We are seeing it now again.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
Scots are waiting for November, crossing fingers that Foster is still at the helm
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
Scots are waiting for November, crossing fingers that Foster is still at the helm
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
Scots are waiting for November, crossing fingers that Foster is still at the helm
Fuck yeah, Come on laddies !!!!! SO embarrassing being the only tier one nation never to beat the MIB. Ever.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
I can't imagine Foster wants the ABs to lose as they are or lose as many records as he has. He's a proud guy who was a senior member of the coaching team that won a RWC.
But someone has to hold him to account, internally and externally. The players are fighting for him still (as evidenced by the energy going into the scramble defence which is all about how much the players want it), but I'm intrigued to know if they truly believe in the gameplan they are being asked to play. Is too much responsibility being delegated to the players on how the ABs should play? If so, does Foster have the ability to get the players to follow his gameplan, not theirs?
Maybe Foster believes that NZ don't have the cattle to win an attritional forward battle these days. Strike moves within 3-4 phases and unstructured, broken field play are hallmarks of his team. Give the ball back to the opposition otherwise and wait for a mistake. Only the opposition aren't making mistakes and the ABs are giving away penalties from the resulting pressure, which means poor territory which gives the opposition more chances to have a crack with less risk. Which just adds to the pressure the ABs are putting themselves under.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high. This soaking defensive approach is incredibly tiring for the players. ABs used to finish strongly, but I think they are knackered playing this way. We saw it last year against SA, and even Oz at times. We saw it in November against Ireland and France. We are seeing it now again.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test:
ABs 106/118
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test:
ABs 106/118
Ireland 166/179@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test;
ABs 106/118
Ireland 166/179Thanks @Duluth. So both teams have attempted roughly the same amount of tackles over 2 tests (NZ 331 / Ire 327).
