All Blacks 2022
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
@Unite said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
Additionally, compare and contrast NZ analysis with some of the Irish rugby media's technical analysis on Twitter...Murray Kinsella, Brett Igoe, Bernard Jackman.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
Additionally, compare and contrast NZ analysis with some of the Irish rugby media's technical analysis on Twitter...Murray Kinsella, Brett Igoe, Bernard Jackman.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Are there any NZ journalists capable of asking difficult questions? Or do they just need some soundbytes to puff out their submissions?
Nobody asked Savea why he felt NZ couldn't hold onto the ball (was it lack of smarts, not staying calm, not being capable) or asked for more detail on what he was talking about when he said "Irish pressure".
This x 1000, there has to be a heap reading this forum. Do your job.
Additionally, compare and contrast NZ analysis with some of the Irish rugby media's technical analysis on Twitter...Murray Kinsella, Brett Igoe, Bernard Jackman.
Who do NZ have...John Kirwan. Would be v interesting if Wilson et al could get a ref on the Breakdown to look at some of Ireland's tactics from the weekend. The best compliment you can pay Ireland is that they are playing on the edge of legality at times...something that ppl used to say about NZ.
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I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
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I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
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I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
I can't imagine Foster wants the ABs to lose as they are or lose as many records as he has. He's a proud guy who was a senior member of the coaching team that won a RWC.
But someone has to hold him to account, internally and externally. The players are fighting for him still (as evidenced by the energy going into the scramble defence which is all about how much the players want it), but I'm intrigued to know if they truly believe in the gameplan they are being asked to play. Is too much responsibility being delegated to the players on how the ABs should play? If so, does Foster have the ability to get the players to follow his gameplan, not theirs?
Maybe Foster believes that NZ don't have the cattle to win an attritional forward battle these days. Strike moves within 3-4 phases and unstructured, broken field play are hallmarks of his team. Give the ball back to the opposition otherwise and wait for a mistake. Only the opposition aren't making mistakes and the ABs are giving away penalties from the resulting pressure, which means poor territory which gives the opposition more chances to have a crack with less risk. Which just adds to the pressure the ABs are putting themselves under.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high. This soaking defensive approach is incredibly tiring for the players. ABs used to finish strongly, but I think they are knackered playing this way. We saw it last year against SA, and even Oz at times. We saw it in November against Ireland and France. We are seeing it now again.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
Scots are waiting for November, crossing fingers that Foster is still at the helm
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
Scots are waiting for November, crossing fingers that Foster is still at the helm
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
If only the Scots weren’t so tight and actually toured here they could have a crack at history too !!!
Scots are waiting for November, crossing fingers that Foster is still at the helm
Fuck yeah, Come on laddies !!!!! SO embarrassing being the only tier one nation never to beat the MIB. Ever.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
I can't imagine Foster wants the ABs to lose as they are or lose as many records as he has. He's a proud guy who was a senior member of the coaching team that won a RWC.
But someone has to hold him to account, internally and externally. The players are fighting for him still (as evidenced by the energy going into the scramble defence which is all about how much the players want it), but I'm intrigued to know if they truly believe in the gameplan they are being asked to play. Is too much responsibility being delegated to the players on how the ABs should play? If so, does Foster have the ability to get the players to follow his gameplan, not theirs?
Maybe Foster believes that NZ don't have the cattle to win an attritional forward battle these days. Strike moves within 3-4 phases and unstructured, broken field play are hallmarks of his team. Give the ball back to the opposition otherwise and wait for a mistake. Only the opposition aren't making mistakes and the ABs are giving away penalties from the resulting pressure, which means poor territory which gives the opposition more chances to have a crack with less risk. Which just adds to the pressure the ABs are putting themselves under.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high. This soaking defensive approach is incredibly tiring for the players. ABs used to finish strongly, but I think they are knackered playing this way. We saw it last year against SA, and even Oz at times. We saw it in November against Ireland and France. We are seeing it now again.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test:
ABs 106/118
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test:
ABs 106/118
Ireland 166/179@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test;
ABs 106/118
Ireland 166/179Thanks @Duluth. So both teams have attempted roughly the same amount of tackles over 2 tests (NZ 331 / Ire 327).
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That interview is excruciating. Talking about the importance of the legacy then saying he didn't know we hadn't lost to Ireland in NZ? Did he not know about Argentina? Did he not know about not losing to Ireland ever, or not losing to Ireland in Ireland? Does he genuinely not realise how badly they are doing?
Comparing it to Origin FFS? Origin is Canterbury playing Auckland.
Seems like a decent bloke, but honestly, no fucking idea. If that's one of our leaders then everything else pretty much follows. -
That interview is excruciating. Talking about the importance of the legacy then saying he didn't know we hadn't lost to Ireland in NZ? Did he not know about Argentina? Did he not know about not losing to Ireland ever, or not losing to Ireland in Ireland? Does he genuinely not realise how badly they are doing?
Comparing it to Origin FFS? Origin is Canterbury playing Auckland.
Seems like a decent bloke, but honestly, no fucking idea. If that's one of our leaders then everything else pretty much follows.@reprobate His appointment as captain last year shows how dumb the coaching team, and the entire NZ rugby "establishment", is. It's another part of NZ dominated by fiefdoms of the mediocre.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
The inmates are running the asylum, and they appear to be dumb fucks as well.
Origin, FFS.
It is interesting to observe. The player led approach was lauded because the players took more responsibility for preparation and were more likely to answer questions in the game as questions were asked. They didn't play like robots.
However, what happens in this approach if the players in the group just aren't as tactically adept or can't think as clearly or as quickly?
Maybe the rugby IQ of the current crop of ABs just isn't at the level it was at before in the key areas. McCaw, Carter, C Smith always struck me as being keen students of the game. Current crop of ABs are very good athletes, but to be the best in rugby, you have to have a combination of brains and brawn
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I like Ardie, he’s got a bit of mana to him and he even stopped to talk to me a few years back when I saw him and a couple other Canes players in the Canberra shopping centre when they were in town to play the Brumbies. But sheesh that interview was a weird one.
What is Enoka doing with these guys?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
I couldn't bring myself to watch it, but did he really say this? This says everything about how important he thinks test match footy is.
And we wonder why he hates tackling and rucks?!
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Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
None of them had anything to do with it - they are all riding on the coattails of people like Umaga, McCaw, Carter, Mealamu, C Smith, Nonu and a multitude of others before them.
Even our coach is there because of the hard work of his predecessors and the culture and systems they set up.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
None of them had anything to do with it - they are all riding on the coattails of people like Umaga, McCaw, Carter, Mealamu, C Smith, Nonu and a multitude of others before them.
Even our coach is there because of the hard work of his predecessors and the culture and systems they set up.
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
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@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
