All Blacks 2022
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I mean they brushed off the first ever loss to Argentina. And not a good Argentina either, not a "golden era" Argentina that managed to get up that one time to get one over us before their great players retired. It was a poor Argentinian side that just rolled right over the top of us, probably the darkest day in AB history in my opinion, and Foster and co just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. That's the kind of culture Foster has created in this team, so shit like that Ardie presser don't really surprise me, I just want Foster fucking gone ASAP before he damages our legacy further.
I can't imagine Foster wants the ABs to lose as they are or lose as many records as he has. He's a proud guy who was a senior member of the coaching team that won a RWC.
But someone has to hold him to account, internally and externally. The players are fighting for him still (as evidenced by the energy going into the scramble defence which is all about how much the players want it), but I'm intrigued to know if they truly believe in the gameplan they are being asked to play. Is too much responsibility being delegated to the players on how the ABs should play? If so, does Foster have the ability to get the players to follow his gameplan, not theirs?
Maybe Foster believes that NZ don't have the cattle to win an attritional forward battle these days. Strike moves within 3-4 phases and unstructured, broken field play are hallmarks of his team. Give the ball back to the opposition otherwise and wait for a mistake. Only the opposition aren't making mistakes and the ABs are giving away penalties from the resulting pressure, which means poor territory which gives the opposition more chances to have a crack with less risk. Which just adds to the pressure the ABs are putting themselves under.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high. This soaking defensive approach is incredibly tiring for the players. ABs used to finish strongly, but I think they are knackered playing this way. We saw it last year against SA, and even Oz at times. We saw it in November against Ireland and France. We are seeing it now again.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test:
ABs 106/118
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test:
ABs 106/118
Ireland 166/179@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:.
I'd be interested to see how many tackles NZ have made in 2 tests against Ireland. I'd imagine it is very high.
First Test:
ABs 197/213 (tackles/attempts)
Ireland 134/148Second Test;
ABs 106/118
Ireland 166/179Thanks @Duluth. So both teams have attempted roughly the same amount of tackles over 2 tests (NZ 331 / Ire 327).
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That interview is excruciating. Talking about the importance of the legacy then saying he didn't know we hadn't lost to Ireland in NZ? Did he not know about Argentina? Did he not know about not losing to Ireland ever, or not losing to Ireland in Ireland? Does he genuinely not realise how badly they are doing?
Comparing it to Origin FFS? Origin is Canterbury playing Auckland.
Seems like a decent bloke, but honestly, no fucking idea. If that's one of our leaders then everything else pretty much follows. -
That interview is excruciating. Talking about the importance of the legacy then saying he didn't know we hadn't lost to Ireland in NZ? Did he not know about Argentina? Did he not know about not losing to Ireland ever, or not losing to Ireland in Ireland? Does he genuinely not realise how badly they are doing?
Comparing it to Origin FFS? Origin is Canterbury playing Auckland.
Seems like a decent bloke, but honestly, no fucking idea. If that's one of our leaders then everything else pretty much follows.@reprobate His appointment as captain last year shows how dumb the coaching team, and the entire NZ rugby "establishment", is. It's another part of NZ dominated by fiefdoms of the mediocre.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
The inmates are running the asylum, and they appear to be dumb fucks as well.
Origin, FFS.
It is interesting to observe. The player led approach was lauded because the players took more responsibility for preparation and were more likely to answer questions in the game as questions were asked. They didn't play like robots.
However, what happens in this approach if the players in the group just aren't as tactically adept or can't think as clearly or as quickly?
Maybe the rugby IQ of the current crop of ABs just isn't at the level it was at before in the key areas. McCaw, Carter, C Smith always struck me as being keen students of the game. Current crop of ABs are very good athletes, but to be the best in rugby, you have to have a combination of brains and brawn
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I like Ardie, he’s got a bit of mana to him and he even stopped to talk to me a few years back when I saw him and a couple other Canes players in the Canberra shopping centre when they were in town to play the Brumbies. But sheesh that interview was a weird one.
What is Enoka doing with these guys?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
I couldn't bring myself to watch it, but did he really say this? This says everything about how important he thinks test match footy is.
And we wonder why he hates tackling and rucks?!
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Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
None of them had anything to do with it - they are all riding on the coattails of people like Umaga, McCaw, Carter, Mealamu, C Smith, Nonu and a multitude of others before them.
Even our coach is there because of the hard work of his predecessors and the culture and systems they set up.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Leave the jersey better than you found it
Has become
Just do your best lads
These fluffybunnies are basking in a legacy few of them had anything to do with creating.
None of them had anything to do with it - they are all riding on the coattails of people like Umaga, McCaw, Carter, Mealamu, C Smith, Nonu and a multitude of others before them.
Even our coach is there because of the hard work of his predecessors and the culture and systems they set up.
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
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@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
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@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Especially important as Retallick is not as good anymore
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@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
He's fast becoming our most important player. He should have been our captain instead of Cane, and perhaps still should be until the after the World Cup.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
That didn't seem to help in Dublin and Paris last year when Whitelock was the captain. It's more about the lack of nous and game awareness from team than just the captain.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
That didn't seem to help in Dublin and Paris last year when Whitelock was the captain. It's more about the lack of nous and game awareness from team than just the captain.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
That didn't seem to help in Dublin and Paris last year when Whitelock was the captain. It's more about the lack of nous and game awareness from team than just the captain.
If we don't develop some pattern to support our natural instinct, we are doomed
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For all the "Foster bashing", it isn't coming from a very passive media who seem quite subdued. The Breakdown was deliberately obtuse and shallow (Access to AB camp on their mind?). It seems the obvious flaws in the ABs are being analyzed by fans, blogs, and overseas media.
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For all the "Foster bashing", it isn't coming from a very passive media who seem quite subdued. The Breakdown was deliberately obtuse and shallow (Access to AB camp on their mind?). It seems the obvious flaws in the ABs are being analyzed by fans, blogs, and overseas media.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
For all the "Foster bashing", it isn't coming from a very passive media who seem quite subdued. The Breakdown was deliberately obtuse and shallow (Access to AB camp on their mind?). It seems the obvious flaws in the ABs are being analyzed by fans, blogs, and overseas media.
100%
The NZRU must have journalists afraid of access with the ridiculous lack of critical rugby journalism in NZ. It's a tragedy and must be contributing to the issue.
Further, we don't seem to have any rugby journalists who actually can (and/or will) analyse the game.
We don't even seem to have any journalists who are prepared to call on those (ex)players or coaches who could do it.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
edit Also one test win from the last 5 in wellington. Not the best
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Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
jesus thats bad
seriously though, is there a chance he's played in all the losses? cant be bothered going back and looking at the squads, if so i wonder about how many head knocks hes had if he cant remember being part of the FIRST loss to ireland and therefore they cant have won in NZ before
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
edit Also one test win from the last 5 in wellington. Not the best
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
