All Blacks 2022
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so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
To be honest, I think there would be very few changes to the squad - and most would be reflected in the comments about picking pre- and post- the Super rugby final.
I think we'd see at least one of the Crusaders tighthead props come in and I think we'd see Grace in for Sowakula - and I expect those whomever is coach. Probably de- Groot in for Big Karl.
Picking the best 36 players in NZ isn't difficult - it only changes on the fringe.
Picking the starting 23 would probably be a bit of a different story.
I'd be surprised if Razor didn't start Mo'unga - but, Fozzie's also got to be looking at that very closely.
There's all sorts of changes that could be made in the forwards that wouldn't necessarily be Crusaders oriented. Sami T. might start. Ardie could be shifted to 7 with Sotutu starting.
I think it's more about gameplan, systems, confidence and culture than changing the players.
I think Razor brings the last of these in spades, so I'm keen to see him there.
I really don't want to see someone else using him and his ideas against us. It's bad enough waiting for Rennie.
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I'm coming around to the conspiracy theory that we keep picking players because if we don't they leave, while younger guys will hang on a bit.
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@mariner4life I was surprised when the likes of Codie taylor signed on through to 2025 yet here we are
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Whoever is coach you would have to think Grace will come into the picture. We'll probably need Barrett to start at lock so Grace could be an excellent option at 6.
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Whoever is coach you would have to think Grace will come into the picture. We'll probably need Barrett to start at lock so Grace could be an excellent option at 6.
6 = Ioane
7 = Savea
8 = GraceI'd like to see Sotutu used a bit and I personally like what Jacobsen brings. PGS - no thanks. Think Cane needs to be relieved of the captaincy and given the NPC to find some form. Though Papalili was extremely disappointing - offered the square sum of FA in his appearances.
With Retallick out, can give some decent game time to Vaii, with Barrett, Whitelock and someone else (but someone else must not be tuipolotu).
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Worth a punt, then, on George Bridge getting another shot at the big time if Razor gets the job.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Worth a punt, then, on George Bridge getting another shot at the big time if Razor gets the job.
Razor is not some provincially biased idiot.
We have TON of wingers better than him. -
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Whoever is coach you would have to think Grace will come into the picture. We'll probably need Barrett to start at lock so Grace could be an excellent option at 6.
6 = Ioane
7 = Savea
8 = GraceI'd like to see Sotutu used a bit and I personally like what Jacobsen brings. PGS - no thanks. Think Cane needs to be relieved of the captaincy and given the NPC to find some form. Though Papalili was extremely disappointing - offered the square sum of FA in his appearances.
With Retallick out, can give some decent game time to Vaii, with Barrett, Whitelock and someone else (but someone else must not be tuipolotu).
@Billy-Tell Dickson in
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Yeah rubbish, for SR yes, but he now has an entire country to pick from. He's a pro coach, not a fucking idiot, like Foster
Yep, Razor doesn't do favourites, so he'll cull whoever he thinks can't do the job at this level. It will be totally irrelevant who they play for in Super Rugby. He'll make the tough decisions.
I also think it's premature to speculate who will be culled (and that includes Taylor, Cane, props, all the Barretts), because he'll have a better idea of how to get the best out of players than Foster and co. Players who haven't been firing the last few years, might get a new lease on AB life with a different preparation, changes in training methods, game plan and also culture.
He may not be able to change everything at the same time (and this year), because there are tests to be played and you can't make too many changes all at once (players have to learn new game plans/structures), but I think the changes will be thorough.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
He may not be able to change everything at the same time (and this year)
Don't see why not if, as the pundits say, we have plenty of players with higher skill levels than other countries and he has access to them. It's his job to win Tests consistently and make changes to do that rapidly. I'd expect a heck of lot better than Foster's record of success.
there are tests to be played and you can't make too many changes all at once (players have to learn new game plans/structures), but I think the changes will be thorough.
He's an excellent coach strong on embedding game plans, culture, instilling confidence etc and he'd be working with the cream of NZ players so I don't see the problem with rapid change and success. As has been said many times, Rassie did it.
If Razor gets the job before the RC, I'd expect a heck of lot better than Foster's record of success. I'd want him to at least equal Foster's 2021 win ratio in that completion, so one loss only, and no losses on the EOYT tour considering it's a light schedule and we are playing Wales, Scotland and only one traditionally difficult opponent in England. Anything less would be zero progress.
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Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
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Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
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Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Whoever is coach you would have to think Grace will come into the picture. We'll probably need Barrett to start at lock so Grace could be an excellent option at 6.
6 = Ioane
7 = Savea
8 = GraceI'd like to see Sotutu used a bit and I personally like what Jacobsen brings. PGS - no thanks. Think Cane needs to be relieved of the captaincy and given the NPC to find some form. Though Papalili was extremely disappointing - offered the square sum of FA in his appearances.
With Retallick out, can give some decent game time to Vaii, with Barrett, Whitelock and someone else (but someone else must not be tuipolotu).
@Billy-Tell DP has offered a whole lot more when part of a proper trio.
Phrasing
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
They've always been against us. Everytime we master the rules they change them to try to even things up. What I can't abide, is when we shoot ourselves in the foot. Since Steve Tew left, thats all we seem to be doing on the administrative front, and since 2018 on the field we have been in decline with no visible plan to pull us out of it
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
They've always been against us. Everytime we master the rules they change them to try to even things up. What I can't abide, is when we shoot ourselves in the foot. Since Steve Tew left, thats all we seem to be doing on the administrative front, and since 2018 on the field we have been in decline with no visible plan to pull us out of it
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
They've always been against us. Everytime we master the rules they change them to try to even things up. What I can't abide, is when we shoot ourselves in the foot. Since Steve Tew left, thats all we seem to be doing
So, its in our hands to find the right people to combat that. I’m not only suggesting that we need to care more, I’m suggesting that we need to choose people who can redefine our game plan.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
They've always been against us. Everytime we master the rules they change them to try to even things up. What I can't abide, is when we shoot ourselves in the foot. Since Steve Tew left, thats all we seem to be doing
So, its in our hands to find the right people to combat that. I’m not only suggesting that we need to care more, I’m suggesting that we need to choose people who can redefine our game plan.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Whatever they do, I’d have this on the wall.
The entire rugby community, including world rugby, is enjoying the ABs being shown up.
Every coach - and AB - should have to look at shit like this and consider whether they are prepared to put some Mana back into the jersey.
If you cant deliver, leave.
Yeah nah. What NZ rugby needs is intelligence not emotion. More of this « channel your emotions” and less of an actuel game plan, strategy etc will get us nowhere.
Personally I think we need both.
They are against us.
They've always been against us. Everytime we master the rules they change them to try to even things up. What I can't abide, is when we shoot ourselves in the foot. Since Steve Tew left, thats all we seem to be doing
So, its in our hands to find the right people to combat that. I’m not only suggesting that we need to care more, I’m suggesting that we need to choose people who can redefine our game plan.
We have generally done that pretty well over the years. Even lesser performing coaches were considered among the best available at the time despite not being everyone's pick. Not this time, and now we are paying for it
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So with Lord and Retallick out and Scott Barrett under a cloud, we will need to bring in a lock or two. I thought a couple of the MAB locks fared pretty well and Dickson would be my first port of call as cover.
I think they’ll keep Bower, Ross, Ta’avao, Tu’ungafasi and Laulala. I wouldn’t have the latter two and would replace Karl T.
A good opportunity to start Sami in all RC tests and rotate the bench hooker. I’d keep Taylor to play that role in some of them but also have one other. Don’t know who because Eklund and Aumua don’t fill me with great confidence. Where’s the empty cupboard emoji…
