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    It’s in the NZR’s interests to talk up the cost of the severance deal while trying to convince the other candidates to drink from the poisoned chalice. Anyone can see why Robertson would want to tell them to f&^k themselves. They passed over him last time and now come crawling back when Foster has made a hash of everything a little over a year out from a World Cup. The expectations would be massive and would inevitably set him up for a fall, trashing his brand and cutting his market value when the ABs inevitably are knocked out in the semis or quarters next year.

    Schmidt, with less to prove and closer to the end of his career, might be willing to be the stopgap, keeping Robertson’s hands clean in the meantime. But I can’t really see that either.

    I think the most likely outcome is there will be a couple of human sacrifices in the coaching team. Once those heads are on sticks and more capable assistants are brought in, Foster keeps his job till the WC before being shown the door. Goodnight and good luck.

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    • MrDenmoreM MrDenmore

      It’s in the NZR’s interests to talk up the cost of the severance deal while trying to convince the other candidates to drink from the poisoned chalice. Anyone can see why Robertson would want to tell them to f&^k themselves. They passed over him last time and now come crawling back when Foster has made a hash of everything a little over a year out from a World Cup. The expectations would be massive and would inevitably set him up for a fall, trashing his brand and cutting his market value when the ABs inevitably are knocked out in the semis or quarters next year.

      Schmidt, with less to prove and closer to the end of his career, might be willing to be the stopgap, keeping Robertson’s hands clean in the meantime. But I can’t really see that either.

      I think the most likely outcome is there will be a couple of human sacrifices in the coaching team. Once those heads are on sticks and more capable assistants are brought in, Foster keeps his job till the WC before being shown the door. Goodnight and good luck.

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      @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

      and more capable assistants are brought in

      What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

        and more capable assistants are brought in

        What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

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        #556

        @KiwiMurph Someone who really needs the money

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

          and more capable assistants are brought in

          What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

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          @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

          @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

          and more capable assistants are brought in

          What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

          Schmidt seems to have got on board, can't be that bad surely?

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          • CrucialC Crucial

            @Machpants said in Foster must go:

            Just so we have facts not conjecture!

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            Jeez Lozza was shit as well and he wasn’t even fat.

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            @Crucial said in Foster must go:

            @Machpants said in Foster must go:

            Just so we have facts not conjecture!

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            Jeez Lozza was shit as well and he wasn’t even fat.

            Good chauffeur as well

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

              and more capable assistants are brought in

              What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

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              @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

              @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

              and more capable assistants are brought in

              What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

              I would. Oh, you specified capable...

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

                and more capable assistants are brought in

                What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

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                @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

                @MrDenmore said in Foster must go:

                and more capable assistants are brought in

                What capable assistant wants to work with Foster now?

                Has to be coaches that the players respect through previous records. Really not sure who.
                Might be some pissed off Super franchises as well

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                • TimT Tim

                  Newshub claimed that they've been informed by "sources" that sacking Foster would cost $3M to $4M.

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                  @Tim said in Foster must go:

                  Newshub claimed that they've been informed by "sources" that sacking Foster would cost $3M to $4M.

                  Is that Foster or the whole Foster team?

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                  • Chris B.C Chris B.

                    @Tim said in Foster must go:

                    Newshub claimed that they've been informed by "sources" that sacking Foster would cost $3M to $4M.

                    Is that Foster or the whole Foster team?

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                    @Chris-B Not specified. Assistants not mentioned though.

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                    • BovidaeB Offline
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                      Robertson was still keen on the AB job before Foster's contract was renewed before last year's EOYT wasn't he? I assume he would have taken the job back then.

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                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                        @gt12 said in Foster must go:

                        @Bovidae said in Foster must go:

                        @canefan said in Foster must go:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                        TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

                        What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?

                        It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.

                        Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.

                        In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.

                        Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.

                        I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.

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                        @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                        RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                        Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

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                        • DonsteppaD Offline
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                          I read somewhere over the weekend that Foster is seen as too much of a Good Cop within the setup. As much as I've gnashed my teeth about his selections and tactics since forever, one thing that has stood out is that I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him as a person.

                          Though this is a job for top performance as well, not solely for being a top bloke.

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                          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                            @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                            RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                            Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

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                            @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                            @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                            RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                            Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

                            No problem. Anyone who has a problem can piss right off

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                            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                              @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                              RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                              Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

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                              @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                              Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

                              Much easier than if he brought in Whinge Gatland...

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                              • canefanC canefan

                                @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                                @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                                RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                                Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

                                No problem. Anyone who has a problem can piss right off

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                                @canefan said in Foster must go:

                                @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                                @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                                RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                                Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

                                No problem. Anyone who has a problem can piss right off

                                The All Blacks should be viewed by every aspiring coach around the world as a "must get this on my CV". We should be agnostic as long as they're the best.

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                                • TimT Tim

                                  @Chris-B Not specified. Assistants not mentioned though.

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                                  @Tim said in Foster must go:

                                  @Chris-B Not specified. Assistants not mentioned though.

                                  If they are paying him 3M the entire board should be fired immediately.

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                                  • canefanC canefan

                                    @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                                    @ACT-Crusader yeah I can see why he may be reluctant to take over if the opportunity presents itself in the very near future...

                                    RWC inside a year, from what I understand about Razor is alot of his success is built on his planning and those around him, which also may be key to any decision he makes.

                                    Then you gotta ask, let's say he gets his way, would people be able to handle if he bought O'Gara in?

                                    No problem. Anyone who has a problem can piss right off

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                                    @canefan I'm just thinking back to Dean's to Aus, the Rennie, always some comments floating about not wanting a foreign coach.

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                                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                      @canefan I'm just thinking back to Dean's to Aus, the Rennie, always some comments floating about not wanting a foreign coach.

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                                      @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                                      @canefan I'm just thinking back to Dean's to Aus, the Rennie, always some comments floating about not wanting a foreign coach.

                                      He'll be an assistant. Besides, where we are now I just want to see us back to something resembling ourselves

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                                      • M Machpants

                                        Just so we have facts not conjecture!

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                                        @Machpants

                                        God, I'd forgotten Vodanovich. Made Foster look like a genius.

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                                          I can't see how Roberston could take over, to be honest. Two weeks before going to the republic? His support team is non-existent. Who picks the squad which is named in a few days? Crusader's contract? Young family ready for the pressure? (His wife would have something to say after all the criticism of Foster). Wishful thinking it seems. BUT I will still wake up each morning this week, look at my phone, and hope the message is there.

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