The Current State of Rugby
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow i think you'll actually see more kicking
Possibly for a period of time
But good coaches will capitalise on any situation
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow i think you'll actually see more kicking
Possibly for a period of time
But good coaches will capitalise on any situation
professional coaches are above all else risk averse
they also absolutely hate chaos.
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@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow i think you'll actually see more kicking
Possibly for a period of time
But good coaches will capitalise on any situation
professional coaches are above all else risk averse
they also absolutely hate chaos.
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow i think you'll actually see more kicking
Possibly for a period of time
But good coaches will capitalise on any situation
professional coaches are above all else risk averse
they also absolutely hate chaos.
The good, creative players and coaches love it
Give them a chance to shape the game
Not the military medium war gamers
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@mooshld said in The Current State of Rugby:
How about we look at the other big money sports? If we don't want to go the ice hockey route fine I get that.
But the NBA and the NFL don't fuck over the Superbowl because some one has a brain explosion and tries to decapitate someone. They give the team offended against a decent penalty then they kick the offender's sorry arse out, continue the match and fine them into oblivion. The team gets fined as well. Normally a lot more then the player. Money fucking matters, so that stops teams sending out hitmen to take out players.
Just on this part. The examples you have given are from closed leagues. This would only really work in a competition with single pots of money. So, wouldn't really work in a bilateral series like the NZ v Ire one just been. But especially in an example like a Georgia v Italy or Fiji v France game with huge gulfs in finances, and no revenue sharing.
It would be good to introduce in the professional leagues. E.g. Super Rugby, Top14, Premiership etc etc
By doing that, you would hope the behaviour changes would stick when playing at the different levels..It could also be done in international tournaments. Like RWC, TRC, 6 nations etc. With some level of pooled money control.
The leagues may be closed but the disparity in pay in those leagues is huge, not everyone is on a 30 million a year contract. So some scrub getting garbage time minutes isn't going to blow his yearly salary by polaxing Steph Curry. Again I am talking about real filth here not accidental head clashes that happen at high speed. They are by definition an accident.
Not sure who said it above but we should have been bleating about this stuff when we were a better team, now it looks like sour grapes. But honestly in the last 10 years I have lost a lot of passion for the sport at professional level. I used to follow my teams avidly and be really annoyed when they lost. Nowadays it seems like a match going 15 v 15 is not the norm and that puts too much power in the refs hands. Would love to see the stats on this. Its a test match not much of a test when there are only 14 on the pitch.
World Rugby have pulled the pin on a hand grenade. Imagine an accidental head clash in the first 5 minutes of a world cup final. I would hate to be that Ref, you only give a yellow and the team goes onto win, with the yellow upgraded to a red the following week. I am sure the losing team will be super cool with that. Or you give a red and the competition is over with a stadium full of people paying literally 1000 euro a seat prices. That red could then be reviewed at the judiciary and be declared a "Soaking tackle", which lets be honest is a bullshit term invented this week. So the losing team again is gona be super cool with that decision.
The only solution is to do everything we can to keep 15 players on the pitch. Otherwise the results just become a coin toss and I don't need to pay 10 euros a pint to watch a coin toss.
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The leagues may be closed but the disparity in pay in those leagues is huge, not everyone is on a 30 million a year contract. So some scrub getting garbage time minutes isn't going to blow his yearly salary by polaxing Steph Curry. Again I am talking about real filth here not accidental head clashes that happen at high speed. They are by definition an accident.
Not sure who said it above but we should have been bleating about this stuff when we were a better team, now it looks like sour grapes. But honestly in the last 10 years I have lost a lot of passion for the sport at professional level. I used to follow my teams avidly and be really annoyed when they lost. Nowadays it seems like a match going 15 v 15 is not the norm and that puts too much power in the refs hands. Would love to see the stats on this. Its a test match not much of a test when there are only 14 on the pitch.
World Rugby have pulled the pin on a hand grenade. Imagine an accidental head clash in the first 5 minutes of a world cup final. I would hate to be that Ref, you only give a yellow and the team goes onto win, with the yellow upgraded to a red the following week. I am sure the losing team will be super cool with that. Or you give a red and the competition is over with a stadium full of people paying literally 1000 euro a seat prices. That red could then be reviewed at the judiciary and be declared a "Soaking tackle", which lets be honest is a bullshit term invented this week. So the losing team again is gona be super cool with that decision.
The only solution is to do everything we can to keep 15 players on the pitch. Otherwise the results just become a coin toss and I don't need to pay 10 euros a pint to watch a coin toss.
@mooshld Exactly. The more it can be 15 on 15 the better. Deal with the sanctions after the game in the cold light of day, use the same panel for every decision, and try to get some consistency in the decisions. They can be as harsh as fuck on foul play and stopping head impacts in that forum, I'd have no problem with that.
Wipe Porter out for 2 months, that was reckless and it has caused serious injury, and he clearly had time to go lower - he chose not to. But keep 15 on the field, because Ireland deserved that famous victory - either with Porter still there or he goes off but can be replaced.Get the RUs together and coordinate contract clauses which mean players who are suspended have their salary suspended, so they get hit financially and in proportion to their incomes.
And not take over an hour to watch a half of stop-start footy with a million shitty replays and TMOs making a theatre of transparency in decision-making and us still getting a shitshow of poor decisions with <20 minutes of ball in play.
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@JC said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?
It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@JC said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?
It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'Good ref.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@JC said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?
It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'Good ref.
@nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@JC said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?
It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'Good ref.
My all time favourite was Andre Watson.
"Wrong side roll away"
"Roll away"
"Roll away!!!"
"Alright boys spit him out"At which point the player disappeared under a hail of boots.
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@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@MiketheSnow i think you'll actually see more kicking
Possibly for a period of time
But good coaches will capitalise on any situation
professional coaches are above all else risk averse
they also absolutely hate chaos.
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It's just bizarre. Every decision ever made puts all of the onus on the defender to get it right. This impact caused a severe injury, but they are mitigating it because the defender didn't supply enough of the momentum? That's effectively saying it is Retallicks fault for running hard.
Despite the defender having plenty of time to go low, and deciding to go high on a 6'8" lock.
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WR pandering to the ABs again.
Back door deals to have the whole Irish team red carded at the RWC if we face them.
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League allows a red carded player to be instantly subbed… apparently….makes sense. Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.
@POV said in The Current State of Rugby:
Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.
Cards only occur after an incident has been reviewed anyway though, why would the ref change his mind on a rereview?
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@nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:
professional coaches are above all else risk averse they also absolutely hate chaos.I see your PDivvy and raise you a coach who took a punt on rugby chaos: RobHowleylookingshifty.jpeg
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@mooshld said in The Current State of Rugby:
So Porter has been cleared.
I don't understand this game any more.
lol what?
yep, the game has no issues at all....
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Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.
Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !
I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.
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Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.
Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !
I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.
@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.
It would depend on who is affected in the final, negatively and positively, before it would be an issue worth addressing.
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@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.
It would depend on who is affected in the final, negatively and positively, before it would be an issue worth addressing.
@Crazy-Horse said in The Current State of Rugby:
@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.
It would depend on who is affected in the final, negatively and positively, before it would be an issue worth addressing.
Naturally, that we win because Farrell is red carded in the 1st minute. That should do it.
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Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.
Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !
I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.
@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.
NZR is still waiting for a "please explain" and an apology from the 3rd BIL test aren't they? WR never admit their mistakes.
