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The Current State of Rugby

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  • CrucialC Crucial

    @JC said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?

    It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
    I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'

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    @Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @JC said in The Current State of Rugby:

    @Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?

    It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
    I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'

    Good ref.

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    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

      @Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:

      @JC said in The Current State of Rugby:

      @Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?

      It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
      I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'

      Good ref.

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      @nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:

      @Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:

      @JC said in The Current State of Rugby:

      @Crucial It’s a legitimate point. When we hear Peyper saying that the tackler has the greater responsibility isn’t that presuming that the team in possession isn’t manufacturing the environment where uncontrolled collisions are more likely?

      It's a bit like the old Brumbies Larkham days. Larkham would 'trick' players into having to decide if he had passed or not by turning his back.
      I remember the ref telling him once, after being flattened from behind without the ball, 'you created that, you take it'

      Good ref.

      My all time favourite was Andre Watson.

      "Wrong side roll away"
      "Roll away"
      "Roll away!!!"
      "Alright boys spit him out"

      At which point the player disappeared under a hail of boots.

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        @MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:

        @mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:

        @MiketheSnow i think you'll actually see more kicking

        Possibly for a period of time

        But good coaches will capitalise on any situation

        professional coaches are above all else risk averse

        they also absolutely hate chaos.

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        @mariner4life

        professional coaches are above all else risk averse
        
        they also absolutely hate chaos.
        

        alt text

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          So Porter has been cleared.

          I don't understand this game any more.

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            It's just bizarre. Every decision ever made puts all of the onus on the defender to get it right. This impact caused a severe injury, but they are mitigating it because the defender didn't supply enough of the momentum? That's effectively saying it is Retallicks fault for running hard.
            Despite the defender having plenty of time to go low, and deciding to go high on a 6'8" lock.
            I give up.

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              WR pandering to the ABs again.

              Back door deals to have the whole Irish team red carded at the RWC if we face them.

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              • BonesB Bones

                WR pandering to the ABs again.

                Back door deals to have the whole Irish team red carded at the RWC if we face them.

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                #331

                League allows a red carded player to be instantly subbed… apparently….makes sense. Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.

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                • P POV

                  League allows a red carded player to be instantly subbed… apparently….makes sense. Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.

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                  @POV said in The Current State of Rugby:

                  Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.

                  Cards only occur after an incident has been reviewed anyway though, why would the ref change his mind on a rereview?

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                  • M mooshld

                    So Porter has been cleared.

                    I don't understand this game any more.

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                    @mooshld said in The Current State of Rugby:

                    So Porter has been cleared.

                    I don't understand this game any more.

                    Absolutely mind boggling.

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                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                      @mariner4life

                      professional coaches are above all else risk averse
                      
                      they also absolutely hate chaos.
                      

                      alt text

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                      @nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:

                      @mariner4life

                      professional coaches are above all else risk averse
                      
                      they also absolutely hate chaos.
                      

                      alt text

                      I see your PDivvy and raise you a coach who took a punt on rugby chaos: RobHowleylookingshifty.jpeg

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                      • M mooshld

                        So Porter has been cleared.

                        I don't understand this game any more.

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                        @mooshld said in The Current State of Rugby:

                        So Porter has been cleared.

                        I don't understand this game any more.

                        What a joke.

                        Watching it is a waste of your time.

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                        • M mooshld

                          So Porter has been cleared.

                          I don't understand this game any more.

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                          @mooshld said in The Current State of Rugby:

                          So Porter has been cleared.

                          I don't understand this game any more.

                          lol what?

                          yep, the game has no issues at all....

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                            #337

                            Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                            Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                            I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

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                            • gt12G gt12

                              Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                              Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                              I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

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                              @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                              I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

                              It would depend on who is affected in the final, negatively and positively, before it would be an issue worth addressing.

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                              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

                                It would depend on who is affected in the final, negatively and positively, before it would be an issue worth addressing.

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                                @Crazy-Horse said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

                                It would depend on who is affected in the final, negatively and positively, before it would be an issue worth addressing.

                                Naturally, that we win because Farrell is red carded in the 1st minute. That should do it.

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                                • gt12G gt12

                                  Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                  Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                                  I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

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                                  @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                  Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                  NZR is still waiting for a "please explain" and an apology from the 3rd BIL test aren't they? WR never admit their mistakes.

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                                  • P POV

                                    League allows a red carded player to be instantly subbed… apparently….makes sense. Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.

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                                    @POV said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                    League allows a red carded player to be instantly subbed… apparently….makes sense. Also it would also be a good thing if each side had three requests to have an incident reviewed like tennis.

                                    Why three?

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                                    • gt12G gt12

                                      Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                      Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                                      I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

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                                      @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                      Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                      Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                                      I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

                                      The argument, not that I agree with it, is the difference between Ta'avao running and Porter basically standing still. WR clearly don't care about head contact because Porter's tackle obviously caused damage. It's a farce.

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                                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                        @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                        Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                        NZR is still waiting for a "please explain" and an apology from the 3rd BIL test aren't they? WR never admit their mistakes.

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                                        @Bovidae said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                        @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                        Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                        NZR is still waiting for a "please explain" and an apology from the 3rd BIL test aren't they? WR never admit their mistakes.

                                        In any decently run sporting organisation, Poite would've been sacked and investigated for corruption.

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                                        • antipodeanA antipodean

                                          @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                          Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                          Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                                          I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

                                          The argument, not that I agree with it, is the difference between Ta'avao running and Porter basically standing still. WR clearly don't care about head contact because Porter's tackle obviously caused damage. It's a farce.

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                                          @antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                          @gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:

                                          Did the NZRU appeal the decision? If we had any balls, we’d be screaming blue murder.

                                          Btw, for those who are trolling and wish to point out our ‘inconsistency’, I don’t have an actual problem with that being a YC, I have a problem with the fact that Ta’avao got a RC and three weeks for something more akin to a rugby collision !

                                          I genuinely hope that the World Cup final changes because of a call like this, so that World a rugby can be shown up as the bunch of useless fluffybunnies they clearly are.

                                          The argument, not that I agree with it, is the difference between Ta'avao running and Porter basically standing still. WR clearly don't care about head contact because Porter's tackle obviously caused damage. It's a farce.

                                          and he basically took one step

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