Foster, Robertson etc

Victor Meldrew

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.

Bones

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.

Why?

Victor Meldrew

@Bones said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.

Why?

The dog-whistle implication that the coaching staff are racist for a start.

Comes across as a bloke who was denied the chance of a rant at the expected presser.

Billy Tell

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds

You obviously haven't been reading the Fern or social media....

I think they erred on the side of caution and actually did the right thing, even though it looks a bit OTT. Though Foster seemed OK with the idea of a presser, though we don't know about Cane. NZR were putting their employees first when they were under pressure and that's no bad thing.

(Cue umpteen posts arguing Foster isn't an employee, but is a contractor...)

I disagree. The could have given journalists a code of contact with an emphasis that no personal attacks would be tolerated. But there are hard Qs to be asked...Ian, in the first test the ABs tried out wide passes from Aaron Smith. In the 2nd test, Ireland adjusted and this tactic was utterly nullified. Why didn't you adjust again for the 3rd test? Or, the ABs put up a lot of non-contestable midfield bombs in good attacking positions, which gave away hard-earned possession for no gain. Could you explain the reasoning behind this approach?

Is this type of Q "being mean" or "character assassination"??

Nah. You don't take the risk if you are concerned about your people. You err on the side of caution. It's a game of rugby FFS, not a life-changing event.

We’re obviously not going to agree but if the guy can’t handle a press conference he’s not going to handle a RWC.

Billy Tell

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.

Guy is English nevertheless. And we all know he’s a clueless troll.

Victor Meldrew

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds

You obviously haven't been reading the Fern or social media....

I think they erred on the side of caution and actually did the right thing, even though it looks a bit OTT. Though Foster seemed OK with the idea of a presser, though we don't know about Cane. NZR were putting their employees first when they were under pressure and that's no bad thing.

(Cue umpteen posts arguing Foster isn't an employee, but is a contractor...)

I disagree. The could have given journalists a code of contact with an emphasis that no personal attacks would be tolerated. But there are hard Qs to be asked...Ian, in the first test the ABs tried out wide passes from Aaron Smith. In the 2nd test, Ireland adjusted and this tactic was utterly nullified. Why didn't you adjust again for the 3rd test? Or, the ABs put up a lot of non-contestable midfield bombs in good attacking positions, which gave away hard-earned possession for no gain. Could you explain the reasoning behind this approach?

Is this type of Q "being mean" or "character assassination"??

Nah. You don't take the risk if you are concerned about your people. You err on the side of caution. It's a game of rugby FFS, not a life-changing event.

We’re obviously not going to agree but if the guy can’t handle a press conference he’s not going to handle a RWC.

It's got bugger all to do with Foster handling a presser or not.. It's about an NZR employee making a call on employee welfare which you disagree with. I'd suggest they were in a better position to make that call than you or I were.

Victor Meldrew

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.

Guy is English nevertheless. And we all know he’s a clueless troll.

His dad was an even bigger dick.

Billy Tell

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds

You obviously haven't been reading the Fern or social media....

I think they erred on the side of caution and actually did the right thing, even though it looks a bit OTT. Though Foster seemed OK with the idea of a presser, though we don't know about Cane. NZR were putting their employees first when they were under pressure and that's no bad thing.

(Cue umpteen posts arguing Foster isn't an employee, but is a contractor...)

I disagree. The could have given journalists a code of contact with an emphasis that no personal attacks would be tolerated. But there are hard Qs to be asked...Ian, in the first test the ABs tried out wide passes from Aaron Smith. In the 2nd test, Ireland adjusted and this tactic was utterly nullified. Why didn't you adjust again for the 3rd test? Or, the ABs put up a lot of non-contestable midfield bombs in good attacking positions, which gave away hard-earned possession for no gain. Could you explain the reasoning behind this approach?

Is this type of Q "being mean" or "character assassination"??

Nah. You don't take the risk if you are concerned about your people. You err on the side of caution. It's a game of rugby FFS, not a life-changing event.

We’re obviously not going to agree but if the guy can’t handle a press conference he’s not going to handle a RWC.

It's got bugger all to do with Foster handling a presser or not.. It's about an NZR employee making a call on employee welfare which you disagree with. I'd suggest they were in a better position to make that call than you or I were.

It’s a red warning for me when you need media minders. There’s a thin line between that and propaganda control, censors etc. You’re getting into FIFA, Russia, China territory.

Dan54

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds

You obviously haven't been reading the Fern or social media....

I think they erred on the side of caution and actually did the right thing, even though it looks a bit OTT. Though Foster seemed OK with the idea of a presser, though we don't know about Cane. NZR were putting their employees first when they were under pressure and that's no bad thing.

(Cue umpteen posts arguing Foster isn't an employee, but is a contractor...)

I disagree. The could have given journalists a code of contact with an emphasis that no personal attacks would be tolerated. But there are hard Qs to be asked...Ian, in the first test the ABs tried out wide passes from Aaron Smith. In the 2nd test, Ireland adjusted and this tactic was utterly nullified. Why didn't you adjust again for the 3rd test? Or, the ABs put up a lot of non-contestable midfield bombs in good attacking positions, which gave away hard-earned possession for no gain. Could you explain the reasoning behind this approach?

Is this type of Q "being mean" or "character assassination"??

Nah. You don't take the risk if you are concerned about your people. You err on the side of caution. It's a game of rugby FFS, not a life-changing event.

We’re obviously not going to agree but if the guy can’t handle a press conference he’s not going to handle a RWC.

It's got bugger all to do with Foster handling a presser or not.. It's about an NZR employee making a call on employee welfare which you disagree with. I'd suggest they were in a better position to make that call than you or I were.

It’s a red warning for me when you need media minders. There’s a thin line between that and propaganda control, censors etc. You’re getting into FIFA, Russia, China territory.

Hate to tell you yhis Billy, but every sports ream in world have them, there has been a media manager with ABs, Wallabies, Irish, Boks , Olympic teams etc etc forever and a day!

Billy Tell

@Dan54 said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds

You obviously haven't been reading the Fern or social media....

I think they erred on the side of caution and actually did the right thing, even though it looks a bit OTT. Though Foster seemed OK with the idea of a presser, though we don't know about Cane. NZR were putting their employees first when they were under pressure and that's no bad thing.

(Cue umpteen posts arguing Foster isn't an employee, but is a contractor...)

I disagree. The could have given journalists a code of contact with an emphasis that no personal attacks would be tolerated. But there are hard Qs to be asked...Ian, in the first test the ABs tried out wide passes from Aaron Smith. In the 2nd test, Ireland adjusted and this tactic was utterly nullified. Why didn't you adjust again for the 3rd test? Or, the ABs put up a lot of non-contestable midfield bombs in good attacking positions, which gave away hard-earned possession for no gain. Could you explain the reasoning behind this approach?

Is this type of Q "being mean" or "character assassination"??

Nah. You don't take the risk if you are concerned about your people. You err on the side of caution. It's a game of rugby FFS, not a life-changing event.

We’re obviously not going to agree but if the guy can’t handle a press conference he’s not going to handle a RWC.

It's got bugger all to do with Foster handling a presser or not.. It's about an NZR employee making a call on employee welfare which you disagree with. I'd suggest they were in a better position to make that call than you or I were.

It’s a red warning for me when you need media minders. There’s a thin line between that and propaganda control, censors etc. You’re getting into FIFA, Russia, China territory.

Hate to tell you yhis Billy, but every sports ream in world have them, there has been a media manager with ABs, Wallabies, Irish, Boks , Olympic teams etc etc forever and a day!

I’m fully aware. But they don’t usually cancel PC. I don’t see why a code of conduct etc wouldn’t suffice.

Billy Tell

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

I’ve sent off my email complaint to stuff as I agree this kind of “journalism” has no place.

Dan54

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I find that media statement ridiculous. I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds. But claiming mental health is BS. That would be yet another reason to stand down and seek help (councillor, psychotherapist etc).

You obviously weren't watching presser after the game, there was almost no questions on tactics etc (as you said would be good questions to ask) but just became about Foster etc, .

Billy Tell

@Dan54 said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I find that media statement ridiculous. I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds. But claiming mental health is BS. That would be yet another reason to stand down and seek help (councillor, psychotherapist etc).

You obviously weren't watching presser after the game, there was almost no questions on tactics etc (as you said would be good questions to ask) but just became about Foster etc, .

TBh I never watch pC as nz journalists are hopeless at asking interesting Qs.

Dan54

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

I usually avoid Reason's stuff, had a look at first part of this and was reminded why.
Some might call this journalism, personally I don't.

Victor Meldrew

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:

I don’t think anyone is out to shred foster the man to shreds

You obviously haven't been reading the Fern or social media....

I think they erred on the side of caution and actually did the right thing, even though it looks a bit OTT. Though Foster seemed OK with the idea of a presser, though we don't know about Cane. NZR were putting their employees first when they were under pressure and that's no bad thing.

(Cue umpteen posts arguing Foster isn't an employee, but is a contractor...)

I disagree. The could have given journalists a code of contact with an emphasis that no personal attacks would be tolerated. But there are hard Qs to be asked...Ian, in the first test the ABs tried out wide passes from Aaron Smith. In the 2nd test, Ireland adjusted and this tactic was utterly nullified. Why didn't you adjust again for the 3rd test? Or, the ABs put up a lot of non-contestable midfield bombs in good attacking positions, which gave away hard-earned possession for no gain. Could you explain the reasoning behind this approach?

Is this type of Q "being mean" or "character assassination"??

Nah. You don't take the risk if you are concerned about your people. You err on the side of caution. It's a game of rugby FFS, not a life-changing event.

We’re obviously not going to agree but if the guy can’t handle a press conference he’s not going to handle a RWC.

It's got bugger all to do with Foster handling a presser or not.. It's about an NZR employee making a call on employee welfare which you disagree with. I'd suggest they were in a better position to make that call than you or I were.

It’s a red warning for me when you need media minders. There’s a thin line between that and propaganda control, censors etc. You’re getting into FIFA, Russia, China territory.

Jeez fella, it's a bloody big leap you've made from criticizing a cancelled presser to arguing that protecting an employee is Putin-esque censorship.

MajorPom

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Agree with every single thing he says.

Why do you think it’s unacceptable?

People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.

People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.

MajorPom

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@Bones said in Foster must go:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Worse than anything you get in the UK - and that's saying something.

Why?

The dog-whistle implication that the coaching staff are racist for a start.

Comes across as a bloke who was denied the chance of a rant at the expected presser.

That’s bullshit. At no point has Reason implied he’s racist. No point.

Billy Tell

@MajorRage said in Foster must go:

@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:

Over at Stuff

"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacks

Anyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable

Agree with every single thing he says.

Why do you think it’s unacceptable?

People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.

People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.

Replace fish heads with “f***”, “girls blouses”, “n*****” etc - would that be published. He can argue his points about needing a change of coach and captain without resorting to this.

MajorPom

@Billy-Tell unacceptable language mate, regardless of context. Have edited which breaks the mod rule of not editing arguments you are in.

Just being open.

Billy Tell

@MajorRage said in Foster must go:

@Billy-Tell unacceptable language mate, regardless of context. Have edited which breaks the mod rule of not editing arguments you are in.

Just being open.

Grand. Not a bother.

The Silver Fern

Foster, Robertson etc