Will Jordan's try scoring
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A more cheerful topic.
Will has continued on his merry try accumulating way vs Ireland. Another two tries from two tests.
Taking him to 19 test tries in all from 15 tests (11 starts, 4 off the bench).
He's now equal with Super Stu Wilson (19 tries from 33 tests) and drawn ahead of other notables including:
Cory Jane 18
Terry Wright 18
Zinzan Brooke 17
Penalty tries 18
Waisake Naholo 16
Sevu Reece 14
George Bridge 12
Nehe Milner Skudder 12
Rico Gear 11
Glen Osborne 11
Craig Green 11
BG Williams 10
Ron Jarden 7According to my count, he's 24th = on the AB test try scoring list.
So, is he the fastest to get to this point?
Well, yes and no.
I'm pretty sure the other two who came out of the try-scoring blocks like comparable machines were Cully and Joe Rok (I'm prepared to take submissions on others). Will is faster than Cully to this point, but by some counts not as fast as Joe.
Joe scored his 19th try (and in fact his 20th and 21st) in his 14th test. So in terms of total test appearances Joe is faster.
But, Will has only started 11 tests and in fact only played the full 80 minutes in 5 - where Joe start all 14 and was only subbed in 4 - so Will is faster in terms of test starts and tries per minute.
@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
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@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
@ACT-Crusader said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
I'm in the minority, but I think Jordan's linking work is still pretty shoddy. But having lost all faith in the coaching, I wouldn't be surprised to see a turn around in this aspect under a different regime.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
I'm in the minority, but I think Jordan's linking work is still pretty shoddy. But having lost all faith in the coaching, I wouldn't be surprised to see a turn around in this aspect under a different regime.
@Bones linking once he has ball in hand? as in looking for support? i can see that, conversely he is amazing at timing a run to receive the ball from someone else, you never see him having to slow a run or have a ball drop in front of him, always right there are the right time....and then runs away from everyone
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@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
@ACT-Crusader said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
I reckon my footy career would have been quite a bit more fun if I'd had the speed, size and skills of any of those three!
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@Bones linking once he has ball in hand? as in looking for support? i can see that, conversely he is amazing at timing a run to receive the ball from someone else, you never see him having to slow a run or have a ball drop in front of him, always right there are the right time....and then runs away from everyone
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Bones linking once he has ball in hand? as in looking for support? i can see that, conversely he is amazing at timing a run to receive the ball from someone else, you never see him having to slow a run or have a ball drop in front of him, always right there are the right time....and then runs away from everyone
Yeah that, on your converse I point you to last year, when to me he seemed to put a lot of ball down - no idea where the blame lies for that though, as potentially it's just teammates not being used to him. It was evident (to me) in the crusaders and ABs last year, but he improved hugely this year for the saders, so I was hoping to see a massive jump this year for the ABs - covid and coaching getting in the way though.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@MN5 Jane definitely stood out to me too
Apparently @Bones marked him in a club game once.
@MN5 said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@MN5 Jane definitely stood out to me too
Apparently @Bones marked him in a club game once.
Shocked even at club level they let players carry crayons onto the field.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Chris-B Joe Rok and Rupeni are two of the best wingers I’ve seen play because when they ran with ball in hand you just thought they would get there and score. And if they didn’t make it, something would be set up for a team mate more often than not.
Jordan is the same.
I'm in the minority, but I think Jordan's linking work is still pretty shoddy. But having lost all faith in the coaching, I wouldn't be surprised to see a turn around in this aspect under a different regime.
@Bones said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
I'm in the minority, but I think Jordan's linking work is still pretty shoddy. But having lost all faith in the coaching, I wouldn't be surprised to see a turn around in this aspect under a different regime.
You are not wrong but it is a team malaise.
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@MN5 said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@MN5 Jane definitely stood out to me too
Apparently @Bones marked him in a club game once.
Shocked even at club level they let players carry crayons onto the field.
@nostrildamus said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@MN5 said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@MN5 Jane definitely stood out to me too
Apparently @Bones marked him in a club game once.
Shocked even at club level they let players carry crayons onto the field.
No crayons to carry if I've eaten them all.
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@Frank said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
not meaning to hijack the thread too much but was also surprised how MANY Ben Smith had, considering the large gap he had after his first test, 84...bloody legend
One of the greatest ever ABs.
Our best ever fullback along with Cullen
Complete player.I reckon Ben Smith should've been the World Rugby Player of the year at some point.
For a while, he played whole seasons barely making an error.
@Chris-B said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Frank said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
not meaning to hijack the thread too much but was also surprised how MANY Ben Smith had, considering the large gap he had after his first test, 84...bloody legend
One of the greatest ever ABs.
Our best ever fullback along with Cullen
Complete player.I reckon Ben Smith should've been the World Rugby Player of the year at some point.
For a while, he played whole seasons barely making an error.
He was too consistent to stand out, sadly. For them that is. One of my fave ABs, nearly invariably made ground.
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A more cheerful topic.
Will has continued on his merry try accumulating way vs Ireland. Another two tries from two tests.
Taking him to 19 test tries in all from 15 tests (11 starts, 4 off the bench).
He's now equal with Super Stu Wilson (19 tries from 33 tests) and drawn ahead of other notables including:
Cory Jane 18
Terry Wright 18
Zinzan Brooke 17
Penalty tries 18
Waisake Naholo 16
Sevu Reece 14
George Bridge 12
Nehe Milner Skudder 12
Rico Gear 11
Glen Osborne 11
Craig Green 11
BG Williams 10
Ron Jarden 7According to my count, he's 24th = on the AB test try scoring list.
So, is he the fastest to get to this point?
Well, yes and no.
I'm pretty sure the other two who came out of the try-scoring blocks like comparable machines were Cully and Joe Rok (I'm prepared to take submissions on others). Will is faster than Cully to this point, but by some counts not as fast as Joe.
Joe scored his 19th try (and in fact his 20th and 21st) in his 14th test. So in terms of total test appearances Joe is faster.
But, Will has only started 11 tests and in fact only played the full 80 minutes in 5 - where Joe start all 14 and was only subbed in 4 - so Will is faster in terms of test starts and tries per minute.
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@Frank said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
not meaning to hijack the thread too much but was also surprised how MANY Ben Smith had, considering the large gap he had after his first test, 84...bloody legend
One of the greatest ever ABs.
Our best ever fullback along with Cullen
Complete player.I reckon Ben Smith should've been the World Rugby Player of the year at some point.
For a while, he played whole seasons barely making an error.
@Chris-B said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Frank said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
not meaning to hijack the thread too much but was also surprised how MANY Ben Smith had, considering the large gap he had after his first test, 84...bloody legend
One of the greatest ever ABs.
Our best ever fullback along with Cullen
Complete player.I reckon Ben Smith should've been the World Rugby Player of the year at some point.
For a while, he played whole seasons barely making an error.
Chris I've never agreed with you more!
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@Chris-B said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Frank said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@Kiwiwomble said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
not meaning to hijack the thread too much but was also surprised how MANY Ben Smith had, considering the large gap he had after his first test, 84...bloody legend
One of the greatest ever ABs.
Our best ever fullback along with Cullen
Complete player.I reckon Ben Smith should've been the World Rugby Player of the year at some point.
For a while, he played whole seasons barely making an error.
Chris I've never agreed with you more!
George Bridge 12
-12 tries? Where are the highlights? I assume the video will be longer to account for the change in speed from Jordan?
PS great to see that https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/george-bridge/ employs mums to write bios:"His dynamic skills and pace" -
George Bridge 12
-12 tries? Where are the highlights? I assume the video will be longer to account for the change in speed from Jordan?
PS great to see that https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/george-bridge/ employs mums to write bios:"His dynamic skills and pace"@nostrildamus I'll forever remember Bridgey's qaurtet in Josh ioanes only Test
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A more cheerful topic.
Will has continued on his merry try accumulating way vs Ireland. Another two tries from two tests.
Taking him to 19 test tries in all from 15 tests (11 starts, 4 off the bench).
He's now equal with Super Stu Wilson (19 tries from 33 tests) and drawn ahead of other notables including:
Cory Jane 18
Terry Wright 18
Zinzan Brooke 17
Penalty tries 18
Waisake Naholo 16
Sevu Reece 14
George Bridge 12
Nehe Milner Skudder 12
Rico Gear 11
Glen Osborne 11
Craig Green 11
BG Williams 10
Ron Jarden 7According to my count, he's 24th = on the AB test try scoring list.
So, is he the fastest to get to this point?
Well, yes and no.
I'm pretty sure the other two who came out of the try-scoring blocks like comparable machines were Cully and Joe Rok (I'm prepared to take submissions on others). Will is faster than Cully to this point, but by some counts not as fast as Joe.
Joe scored his 19th try (and in fact his 20th and 21st) in his 14th test. So in terms of total test appearances Joe is faster.
But, Will has only started 11 tests and in fact only played the full 80 minutes in 5 - where Joe start all 14 and was only subbed in 4 - so Will is faster in terms of test starts and tries per minute.
@Chris-B said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
15 test
Sitiveni Sivivatu had 18 tries in his first 15 tests (three of those matches and four of those tries were for the Pacific Islanders).
In his first 15 tests for the ABs, he managed 16 tries.
He scored 26 tries in his first 26 tests but they started to dry up pretty quickly after that (six tries in his remaining 22 tests).
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@Chris-B said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
15 test
Sitiveni Sivivatu had 18 tries in his first 15 tests (three of those matches and four of those tries were for the Pacific Islanders).
In his first 15 tests for the ABs, he managed 16 tries.
He scored 26 tries in his first 26 tests but they started to dry up pretty quickly after that (six tries in his remaining 22 tests).
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I miss Sivi
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@nostrildamus I'll forever remember Bridgey's qaurtet in Josh ioanes only Test
@FakatavaAllBlack He somehow managed to fool the majority of the NZ public and most on here at the time that he was a world class player after that game too. Anyone who thought about criticizing him back then got laughed at lol.
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@FakatavaAllBlack He somehow managed to fool the majority of the NZ public and most on here at the time that he was a world class player after that game too. Anyone who thought about criticizing him back then got laughed at lol.
@African-Monkey said in Will Jordan's try scoring:
@FakatavaAllBlack He somehow managed to fool the majority of the NZ public and most on here at the time that he was a world class player after that game too. Anyone who thought about criticizing him back then got laughed at lol.
you mean Bridge or Ioane?
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A nice Stuff article by Marc Hinton on Will reminded me of this thread. Marc missed a trick by not noting that Will went past his childhood hero Danny Boy in test tries on Saturday morning.
Coincidentally, compared with the OP, Will has played another 15 tests (since then) and scored another 12 tries. He hasn't had a five try romp against Tonga in those tests, so I'd guess statistics theory would be inconclusive that he's slowed down - small samples etc.
He's now up to 31 test tries from 30 tests - alongside Ma'a Nonu who got 31 from 103 tests.
Once you're over 30 test tries, I think you're into the elite list of AB try-scorers (that no forwards have got to).
Will's now 13th equal on the all-time test try scoring record. Of those ahead of him only Big Jules (54 tests) and Cully (58 tests) have played less than twice the number Will has. I'm pretty sure he's about four tests faster than Joe Rok in getting to this mark and pretty sure Joe was the next fastest (though I haven't checked).
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/mosttriesintests.ASP?stats_ID=16
Lots of ifs and buts in terms of positional changes (I'm expecting he'll play fullback next year), injuries and whether he hangs around, but you'd be pretty brave to bet against him toppling Doug's record.
If he ends up playing as long as e.g. Ben Smith or Beauden, he might well end up with a sort of Bradmanesque All black try-scoring mark - and get up around the world leaders - Ohata (69), Habana (67) and Campo (64).
