Foster, Robertson etc
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The other paywalled article is about the boot
Forwards coach John Plumtree and scrum coach Greg Feek reviewed poorly at the end of the 2020 season and then again at the end of 2021.
Those who know a thing or two about the nature of these reviews, say the feedback from the players was scathing, indicative of there being a serious issue rather than mild concerns.
There was no alternative narrative and yet Foster concocted one, and successfully argued that he could up-skill the two stragglers, provide on-the-job development opportunities and that he would also bring in Andrew Strawbridge as a consultant to address some of the holes in the coaching portfolio.
His loyalty to his people was admirable, but so too was it misguided as the All Blacks can't be a finishing school for aspiring coaches.
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Not sure if true but I’m hearing Tim, booboo and gt12 have been given the nod as the new assistants. Good luck guys.
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Not sure if true but I’m hearing Tim, booboo and gt12 have been given the nod as the new assistants. Good luck guys.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
Not sure if true but I’m hearing Tim, booboo and gt12 have been given the nod as the new assistants. Good luck guys.
Jesus man, not to be released until Monday.
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The other paywalled article is about the boot
Forwards coach John Plumtree and scrum coach Greg Feek reviewed poorly at the end of the 2020 season and then again at the end of 2021.
Those who know a thing or two about the nature of these reviews, say the feedback from the players was scathing, indicative of there being a serious issue rather than mild concerns.
There was no alternative narrative and yet Foster concocted one, and successfully argued that he could up-skill the two stragglers, provide on-the-job development opportunities and that he would also bring in Andrew Strawbridge as a consultant to address some of the holes in the coaching portfolio.
His loyalty to his people was admirable, but so too was it misguided as the All Blacks can't be a finishing school for aspiring coaches.
@Machpants said in Foster must go:
The other paywalled article is about the boot
Forwards coach John Plumtree and scrum coach Greg Feek reviewed poorly at the end of the 2020 season and then again at the end of 2021.
Those who know a thing or two about the nature of these reviews, say the feedback from the players was scathing, indicative of there being a serious issue rather than mild concerns.
There was no alternative narrative and yet Foster concocted one, and successfully argued that he could up-skill the two stragglers, provide on-the-job development opportunities and that he would also bring in Andrew Strawbridge as a consultant to address some of the holes in the coaching portfolio.
His loyalty to his people was admirable, but so too was it misguided as the All Blacks can't be a finishing school for aspiring coaches.
Stragglers? Plumtree and Feek? They aren't bad coaches (Irish players speak very highly of Feek), they just don't appear to be working within this coaching setup.
Maybe their methods are more suited to structured teams like Ireland and SA (where both have had a measure of success).
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
Not sure if true but I’m hearing Tim, booboo and gt12 have been given the nod as the new assistants. Good luck guys.
Jesus man, not to be released until Monday.
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
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I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry! -
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!@stodders said in Foster must go:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!Sounds like it already is!
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!Sounds like it already is!
@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!Sounds like it already is!
Stephen Jones waited around in journalism well past his used by date for this moment
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!@stodders by that stage success will be beating Tonga B!
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@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!Sounds like it already is!
Stephen Jones waited around in journalism well past his used by date for this moment
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I looked at the NZR exec again https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/who-we-are/ they have at least two lawyers (and a communication officer who does not proofread) and seem more capable but younger than when I scanned before. The board by contrast and with a couple of exceptions look to me more like CV-padders. I'm guessing the CEO is the central power. And too scared or conservative to drop Foster who won't resign. Feek and Plumtree, if they missed KPI last year are by contrast easier to dislodge.
But i can't believe NZR think Foster can turn this around and based on his press conference today I don't believe he has the guile to persuade them. Notice how he tight-roped between saying Schmidt is helping him but didn't I think call him assistant coach. Internal damage control but external 'I am resilient' speech
His contract must be too hard or expensive to dislodge, which means they wrote a weak contract and are too proud to admit their mistakes (the contract, renewal and Foster's selection). Too late, there is a fire sale on AB aura but no one can be bothered to open the dumpster lid.
Look on the bright side, when Foster's era ends the only way is up. I think it is very magnanimous of the ABs to step aside and let other teams lead the way
Just think how grateful AB supporters will be when success returns. It certainly won't be taken for granted in a hurry!Sounds like it already is!
Stephen Jones waited around in journalism well past his used by date for this moment
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I think there is a lot of wishful thinking posts going on here. Schmidt is in for selection, and oopposition analysis. Nice, and it would be good if the ABs actually had one clue to deal with opposition play (they seem schocked again and again that the Irish run a lot of decoys). But he will not be taking a bigger role, he's a homebody for personal reasons, he'll be an asset but not game changing. The idea that getting Ryan in is to prep for Razor is ridiculous. All this is is re-arranging deck chairs, cos the rot is much higher. It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good. Either, despite what he says, the players don't understand what he wants, or what he wants is what we have seen, utter kack tactics. Both ways, Foster is not good enough, and NZR has it's head so far up it's arse they believe their own press, it is a common sign in a failing business. Fuck, that was how the Vietnam war was run by the Yanks, no one wanted to pass on bad news and those at the top couldn't dmit they fucked it up. So they kept getting deeper in the shit.
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Again, how does this man still have a job? Even selecting the team and deciding a game plan by TSF voting couldn't do worse...
@Donsteppa of the last 10 tests, we've won 5. Two of those against the USA and Italy. Since the EOYT in 2016 the ABs have nose dived. Foster can bleet all he wants about being the man for the job, resilient and strong but the stats don't lie. The team is trending downwards since 2016, loses to Argentina, Ireland, series loss at home, 66% win ratio and 50% from the last 10. How can his position be justified, hand on his heart? Hell, Mitch had an 80% win ratio and was jettisoned.
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'I'll tell you what I am. I'm incoherent. I'm pissed'
This makes no sense at all, it's barely English
“Let me tell you who I am, I’m strong, I’m resilient, I think I’ve proven that.
“I believe I’ve got a great feel and relationship with my players. I’m strategic and I’m also accountable and I take that on board.
“I promise you, I understand that and I’m really excited about the chance to show you what this team is made of”
@Machpants taken straight out of the Adern/Trudeau play book.
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Not sure if true but I’m hearing Tim, booboo and gt12 have been given the nod as the new assistants. Good luck guys.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster must go:
Not sure if true but I’m hearing Tim, booboo and gt12 have been given the nod as the new assistants. Good luck guys.
I can't comment on any possible role, but am expecting a shit ton of team issue apparel.
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The Foster press conference was a joke This Fucking guy is delusional. If we get through the quarter finals of the Wold cup I will be amazed. Just admit that you are not up to it and resign gracefully. Any other coach in any other sport would be sacked by now. This is not about U Foster, it is what is best for the team and you may be a good bloke and all but you are not it. Enough said..
@mencey it is about Foster though isnt it? The guy is in his dream job and will not give that up even if he thinks deep down he isnt up to it.
Fozzie is 57 (I was shocked to find out he is only 57 tbh) and it is hard to see him getting another high profile/high paid coaching role after his time with the All Blacks end. He has a career and retirement to think about and I doubt he has plans/or ability to retire just yet.
I thought his press conference was piss weak the way he spoke. saying he he was ian foster " im the all black head coach" the way he paused and stuttered during that introduction showed he didnt really believe in what he was saying
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The other paywalled article is about the boot
Forwards coach John Plumtree and scrum coach Greg Feek reviewed poorly at the end of the 2020 season and then again at the end of 2021.
Those who know a thing or two about the nature of these reviews, say the feedback from the players was scathing, indicative of there being a serious issue rather than mild concerns.
There was no alternative narrative and yet Foster concocted one, and successfully argued that he could up-skill the two stragglers, provide on-the-job development opportunities and that he would also bring in Andrew Strawbridge as a consultant to address some of the holes in the coaching portfolio.
His loyalty to his people was admirable, but so too was it misguided as the All Blacks can't be a finishing school for aspiring coaches.
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
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@mencey it is about Foster though isnt it? The guy is in his dream job and will not give that up even if he thinks deep down he isnt up to it.
Fozzie is 57 (I was shocked to find out he is only 57 tbh) and it is hard to see him getting another high profile/high paid coaching role after his time with the All Blacks end. He has a career and retirement to think about and I doubt he has plans/or ability to retire just yet.
I thought his press conference was piss weak the way he spoke. saying he he was ian foster " im the all black head coach" the way he paused and stuttered during that introduction showed he didnt really believe in what he was saying
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@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
I have just been reading a few stuff write ups from this week, they really are not close to being sports journalists are they? We had write ups where Canes was gone, Schmidt was taking over someone spot etc, and funnily enough they were all wrong, I really don't think they are any different to any of us on here, have an idea , put it in writing, only thing is some people seem to think they have inside knowledge. Would love to have some old time journalists that actually toured with the team and built up relationships, so actually knowing what is going on!
