Foster, Robertson etc
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@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
His Canterbury/Crusaders articles in the 90s and 2000s were an absolute embarrassment though.
I like Gifford on the radio though. Him and Simon Barnett were good value when I had a work car that didn’t go past 90fm on the dial.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@DaGrubster shocked he's only 57? I was shocked the other day when I learned he was once apart of the same super rugby squad as Leon Macdonald
Rangi did start playing NPC when he was 17, so was around a long time as a senior player.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@DaGrubster shocked he's only 57? I was shocked the other day when I learned he was once apart of the same super rugby squad as Leon Macdonald
Rangi did start playing NPC when he was 17, so was around a long time as a senior player.
Yeah him and Foster woulda been the first fives in the chiefs squad back in 1996.
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@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
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@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
Understand that mate, all I saying is it's been done same way , and Gifford I bet would never point out a time it's been different, anywhare in world. I not saying they got it right, only it's perhaps a bit of careful recalling by Gifford. I know of people who have gone for top jobs in Engineering etc in huge companies, and are not interviewed by engineers etc. And Samr with almost any appointment anywhere, especially in sport.
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@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
So if senior players are not asked their opinion, who should be? I actually think most senior players do recognise good coaching etc, most Crusaders players seem to like Razor, does that raise a red flag?
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This saga shows how bloody hard it is to change a structure where the top tier needs changing
NZR/Head Coach/Assistants/AB Captain/AB Players
Pure speculation, but the best person to sort this out would be Whitelock. Ask him who do you want to run the show. He knows it all, been in a successful environment with Crusaders for years. Knows what works. Totally unfair on Whitelock of course. The situation is a mess.
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
This saga shows how bloody hard it is to change a structure where the top tier needs changing
NZR/Head Coach/Assistants/AB Captain/AB Players
Pure speculation, but the best person to sort this out would be Whitelock. Ask him who do you want to run the show. He knows it all, been in a successful environment with Crusaders for years. Knows what works. Totally unfair on Whitelock of course. The situation is a mess.
Well Whitelock would of been in senior players group who do these reviews, That's how it has worked for last 15 odd years at least that I know of. I don't think we realise how much say they have, they actually meeting from about Feb/March each year and working with coaches etc. Well before any team is named etc.
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@Dan54 my comment was tongue in cheek mate
@No-Quarter Lol yep mate, but still had a bit of sense about it!!!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
So if senior players are not asked their opinion, who should be? I actually think most senior players do recognise good coaching etc, most Crusaders players seem to like Razor, does that raise a red flag?
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
So if senior players are not asked their opinion, who should be? I actually think most senior players do recognise good coaching etc, most Crusaders players seem to like Razor, does that raise a red flag?
Like or respect?
Like being coached by, or like him as a person?
I respect my boss greatly. The previous boss was much more likeable, personally, but nowhere near as good to work for.
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@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
Well that's not strictly true, he wasn't well liked by the ones who left (or a few of the young ones coming through). But agree that players liking coach too much can sometimes be a red flag. I'm sure Prinsep and Blackwell love Holland.
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Phil Gifford , in the NZ Herald today, has a highly interesting insight into the process around the NZR’s appointment of a new coach after Hansen’s resignation in the 2019 World Cup aftermath.
Apparently, in a break from normal process, the NZR board did not interview the candidates, just a five-person selection panel with only one having rugby coaching experience (Graham Henry).
This amounts to a major failure of governance and tells you why this situation stinks so badly.
@MrDenmore Hansen should have resigned after the 2016 EOYT. He lead the decline of AB rugby and its steadily since.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
If I'm right about Plumtree being axed there will presumably be two new faces at the selection table and there might be more new faces in the team than I've been expecting.
It might be Feek as well
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129348883/dramatic-day-looms-for-nz-rugby-as-all-blacks-assistants-and-captain-sam-cane-face-axeIt is understood that Plumtree and Feek did not review favourably following the end-of-year tour in 2021, and players have again been consulted following the 2-1 home series defeat to Ireland.BUT
https://punditarena.com/rugby/eoin-harte/tadhg-furlong-greg-feek-springboks/Tadhg Furlong has praised the influence former Leinster and Ireland scrum coach Greg Feek has had on his career ahead of the Lions’ test series with the Springboks.Something doesn't add up.
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
If I'm right about Plumtree being axed there will presumably be two new faces at the selection table and there might be more new faces in the team than I've been expecting.
It might be Feek as well
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129348883/dramatic-day-looms-for-nz-rugby-as-all-blacks-assistants-and-captain-sam-cane-face-axeIt is understood that Plumtree and Feek did not review favourably following the end-of-year tour in 2021, and players have again been consulted following the 2-1 home series defeat to Ireland.BUT
https://punditarena.com/rugby/eoin-harte/tadhg-furlong-greg-feek-springboks/Tadhg Furlong has praised the influence former Leinster and Ireland scrum coach Greg Feek has had on his career ahead of the Lions’ test series with the Springboks.Something doesn't add up.
The scrum wasn’t that big an issue against Irish, and when big Karl came on in first he owned Furlong.
For me lineout/mauls were the set piece issue. So Ryan/Coventry in and Plumtree out.
Oh, and out with dogshit D McLeod.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
@nzzp I guess all will be revealed, shortly.
I don't think Cane will be dropped from the team - the question for me is whether Savea and/or Papali'i are our best 7s. In my view, Ardie probably is the best 7 - and playing him at 8 because they want him on the field is creating problems.
I'd happily have Ardie at 7 or on the bench;
Dalts/Cane/Ardie at 7
Sotutu/Grace at 8
ScoBa/AIoane at 6
Broadly similar players that you can slot into patterns at 6/8 that you can sub in and out. Sotutu probably adds passing and Dalts running to the repertoire.
Cane is a bloody good test player in the right trio. He has huge defensive strengths and workrate off the charts.
@nzzp said in Foster must go:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
@nzzp I guess all will be revealed, shortly.
I don't think Cane will be dropped from the team - the question for me is whether Savea and/or Papali'i are our best 7s. In my view, Ardie probably is the best 7 - and playing him at 8 because they want him on the field is creating problems.
I'd happily have Ardie at 7 or on the bench;
Dalts/Cane/Ardie at 7
Sotutu/Grace at 8
ScoBa/AIoane at 6
Broadly similar players that you can slot into patterns at 6/8 that you can sub in and out. Sotutu probably adds passing and Dalts running to the repertoire.
Cane is a bloody good test player in the right trio. He has huge defensive strengths and workrate off the charts.
Harmon/Suafoa/Grace showed what a balanced loosie trio could do against Ireland A.
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@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
Well that's not strictly true, he wasn't well liked by the ones who left (or a few of the young ones coming through). But agree that players liking coach too much can sometimes be a red flag. I'm sure Prinsep and Blackwell love Holland.
@Nepia said in Foster must go:
@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
Well that's not strictly true, he wasn't well liked by the ones who left (or a few of the young ones coming through). But agree that players liking coach too much can sometimes be a red flag. I'm sure Prinsep and Blackwell love Holland.
Lol that's true, he decided the greatest 12 of all time was a negative influence on the teams culture. Such a misguided fool.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
If I'm right about Plumtree being axed there will presumably be two new faces at the selection table and there might be more new faces in the team than I've been expecting.
It might be Feek as well
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129348883/dramatic-day-looms-for-nz-rugby-as-all-blacks-assistants-and-captain-sam-cane-face-axeIt is understood that Plumtree and Feek did not review favourably following the end-of-year tour in 2021, and players have again been consulted following the 2-1 home series defeat to Ireland.BUT
https://punditarena.com/rugby/eoin-harte/tadhg-furlong-greg-feek-springboks/Tadhg Furlong has praised the influence former Leinster and Ireland scrum coach Greg Feek has had on his career ahead of the Lions’ test series with the Springboks.Something doesn't add up.
The scrum wasn’t that big an issue against Irish, and when big Karl came on in first he owned Furlong.
For me lineout/mauls were the set piece issue. So Ryan/Coventry in and Plumtree out.
Oh, and out with dogshit D McLeod.
@pakman yes the irish prop admitted they lost the scum battle test 1 so the coaching staff tried something new. Changing tactics between games-outrageous!!
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@nzzp said in Foster must go:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
@nzzp I guess all will be revealed, shortly.
I don't think Cane will be dropped from the team - the question for me is whether Savea and/or Papali'i are our best 7s. In my view, Ardie probably is the best 7 - and playing him at 8 because they want him on the field is creating problems.
I'd happily have Ardie at 7 or on the bench;
Dalts/Cane/Ardie at 7
Sotutu/Grace at 8
ScoBa/AIoane at 6
Broadly similar players that you can slot into patterns at 6/8 that you can sub in and out. Sotutu probably adds passing and Dalts running to the repertoire.
Cane is a bloody good test player in the right trio. He has huge defensive strengths and workrate off the charts.
Harmon/Suafoa/Grace showed what a balanced loosie trio could do against Ireland A.
@pakman said in Foster must go:
@nzzp said in Foster must go:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go:
@nzzp I guess all will be revealed, shortly.
I don't think Cane will be dropped from the team - the question for me is whether Savea and/or Papali'i are our best 7s. In my view, Ardie probably is the best 7 - and playing him at 8 because they want him on the field is creating problems.
I'd happily have Ardie at 7 or on the bench;
Dalts/Cane/Ardie at 7
Sotutu/Grace at 8
ScoBa/AIoane at 6
Broadly similar players that you can slot into patterns at 6/8 that you can sub in and out. Sotutu probably adds passing and Dalts running to the repertoire.
Cane is a bloody good test player in the right trio. He has huge defensive strengths and workrate off the charts.
Harmon/Suafoa/Grace showed what a balanced loosie trio could do against Ireland A.
They may also have been coached..
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i just returned from a week in the remote wilderness, untethered to ‘news,’ only to be a little bit dismayed and a whole lot disappointed to discover he wasn’t shitcanned five days ago. Wtf?
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He was never the same once he retired Susan from Herne bay
