Foster, Robertson etc
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The other paywalled article is about the boot
Forwards coach John Plumtree and scrum coach Greg Feek reviewed poorly at the end of the 2020 season and then again at the end of 2021.
Those who know a thing or two about the nature of these reviews, say the feedback from the players was scathing, indicative of there being a serious issue rather than mild concerns.
There was no alternative narrative and yet Foster concocted one, and successfully argued that he could up-skill the two stragglers, provide on-the-job development opportunities and that he would also bring in Andrew Strawbridge as a consultant to address some of the holes in the coaching portfolio.
His loyalty to his people was admirable, but so too was it misguided as the All Blacks can't be a finishing school for aspiring coaches.
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
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@mencey it is about Foster though isnt it? The guy is in his dream job and will not give that up even if he thinks deep down he isnt up to it.
Fozzie is 57 (I was shocked to find out he is only 57 tbh) and it is hard to see him getting another high profile/high paid coaching role after his time with the All Blacks end. He has a career and retirement to think about and I doubt he has plans/or ability to retire just yet.
I thought his press conference was piss weak the way he spoke. saying he he was ian foster " im the all black head coach" the way he paused and stuttered during that introduction showed he didnt really believe in what he was saying
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@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
I have just been reading a few stuff write ups from this week, they really are not close to being sports journalists are they? We had write ups where Canes was gone, Schmidt was taking over someone spot etc, and funnily enough they were all wrong, I really don't think they are any different to any of us on here, have an idea , put it in writing, only thing is some people seem to think they have inside knowledge. Would love to have some old time journalists that actually toured with the team and built up relationships, so actually knowing what is going on!
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
I have just been reading a few stuff write ups from this week, they really are not close to being sports journalists are they? We had write ups where Canes was gone, Schmidt was taking over someone spot etc, and funnily enough they were all wrong, I really don't think they are any different to any of us on here, have an idea , put it in writing, only thing is some people seem to think they have inside knowledge. Would love to have some old time journalists that actually toured with the team and built up relationships, so actually knowing what is going on!
@Dan54 sports journalism, like most journalism i expeft, has been on the decline for many years, most sit on one side of the fence or the other: writing stuff to keep on good side, then the polar opposite, or opinion peice click bait articles.
Very little actual fact based journalism.
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Phil Gifford , in the NZ Herald today, has a highly interesting insight into the process around the NZR’s appointment of a new coach after Hansen’s resignation in the 2019 World Cup aftermath.
Apparently, in a break from normal process, the NZR board did not interview the candidates, just a five-person selection panel with only one having rugby coaching experience (Graham Henry).
This amounts to a major failure of governance and tells you why this situation stinks so badly.
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Phil Gifford , in the NZ Herald today, has a highly interesting insight into the process around the NZR’s appointment of a new coach after Hansen’s resignation in the 2019 World Cup aftermath.
Apparently, in a break from normal process, the NZR board did not interview the candidates, just a five-person selection panel with only one having rugby coaching experience (Graham Henry).
This amounts to a major failure of governance and tells you why this situation stinks so badly.
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
Phil Gifford , in the NZ Herald today, has a highly interesting insight into the process around the NZR’s appointment of a new coach after Hansen’s resignation in the 2019 World Cup aftermath.
Apparently, in a break from normal process, the NZR board did not interview the candidates, just a five-person selection panel with only one having rugby coaching experience (Graham Henry).
This amounts to a major failure of governance and tells you why this situation stinks so badly.
No real surprise is turned to custard, most on here thought it was the wrong choice, and most fans. So yeah, pile o poo for a while
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
I have just been reading a few stuff write ups from this week, they really are not close to being sports journalists are they? We had write ups where Canes was gone, Schmidt was taking over someone spot etc, and funnily enough they were all wrong, I really don't think they are any different to any of us on here, have an idea , put it in writing, only thing is some people seem to think they have inside knowledge. Would love to have some old time journalists that actually toured with the team and built up relationships, so actually knowing what is going on!
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
Phil Gifford , in the NZ Herald today, has a highly interesting insight into the process around the NZR’s appointment of a new coach after Hansen’s resignation in the 2019 World Cup aftermath.
Apparently, in a break from normal process, the NZR board did not interview the candidates, just a five-person selection panel with only one having rugby coaching experience (Graham Henry).
This amounts to a major failure of governance and tells you why this situation stinks so badly.
That's hardly new news, we all new that anyway, was all pretty open at time, actually it is norm, hardly ever have a panel of coaches appointing coaches an any RU,Henry, Hansen just got interviewed by NZR, noone with coaching experience at all, everyone does same, just another case of click bait journalism. Only difference is many don't even have a panel, just offer the job to someone, Rennie never fronted a panel in Aus, same as Eddie Jones. Warren Gatland actually said he has never applied for a coaching job, Wales etc approached him.
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If results and performances are poor throughout the Rugby Championship, I think Foster will be jetisoned before the EOYT.
Only a matter of time IMHO before Razor gets appointed All Blacks Head Coach now. Okay maybe Dave Rennie might get the job if he gets the Wallabies to the RWC Final.
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@DaGrubster shocked he's only 57? I was shocked the other day when I learned he was once apart of the same super rugby squad as Leon Macdonald
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@DaGrubster shocked he's only 57? I was shocked the other day when I learned he was once apart of the same super rugby squad as Leon Macdonald
Rangi did start playing NPC when he was 17, so was around a long time as a senior player.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Machpants that says pretty much what the stuff Article says, and again breezes past Mcleod, like opposition players through our defence.
I have just been reading a few stuff write ups from this week, they really are not close to being sports journalists are they? We had write ups where Canes was gone, Schmidt was taking over someone spot etc, and funnily enough they were all wrong, I really don't think they are any different to any of us on here, have an idea , put it in writing, only thing is some people seem to think they have inside knowledge. Would love to have some old time journalists that actually toured with the team and built up relationships, so actually knowing what is going on!
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
Phil Gifford , in the NZ Herald today, has a highly interesting insight into the process around the NZR’s appointment of a new coach after Hansen’s resignation in the 2019 World Cup aftermath.
Apparently, in a break from normal process, the NZR board did not interview the candidates, just a five-person selection panel with only one having rugby coaching experience (Graham Henry).
This amounts to a major failure of governance and tells you why this situation stinks so badly.
That's hardly new news, we all new that anyway, was all pretty open at time, actually it is norm, hardly ever have a panel of coaches appointing coaches an any RU,Henry, Hansen just got interviewed by NZR, noone with coaching experience at all, everyone does same, just another case of click bait journalism. Only difference is many don't even have a panel, just offer the job to someone, Rennie never fronted a panel in Aus, same as Eddie Jones. Warren Gatland actually said he has never applied for a coaching job, Wales etc approached him.
@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
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@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
His Canterbury/Crusaders articles in the 90s and 2000s were an absolute embarrassment though.
I like Gifford on the radio though. Him and Simon Barnett were good value when I had a work car that didn’t go past 90fm on the dial.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@DaGrubster shocked he's only 57? I was shocked the other day when I learned he was once apart of the same super rugby squad as Leon Macdonald
Rangi did start playing NPC when he was 17, so was around a long time as a senior player.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in Foster must go:
@DaGrubster shocked he's only 57? I was shocked the other day when I learned he was once apart of the same super rugby squad as Leon Macdonald
Rangi did start playing NPC when he was 17, so was around a long time as a senior player.
Yeah him and Foster woulda been the first fives in the chiefs squad back in 1996.
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@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
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@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 Well according to Gifford, who is actually a highly experienced journalist and not a paid troll, this is a breach of protocol and suggests something wrong with the governance of the NZR
It is certainly out of keeping with corporate best practice for a multi-million dollar organisation, and in this case New Zealand’s most powerful brand, not to have board oversight of such a key appointment
Understand that mate, all I saying is it's been done same way , and Gifford I bet would never point out a time it's been different, anywhare in world. I not saying they got it right, only it's perhaps a bit of careful recalling by Gifford. I know of people who have gone for top jobs in Engineering etc in huge companies, and are not interviewed by engineers etc. And Samr with almost any appointment anywhere, especially in sport.
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@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@junior said in Foster must go:
@Machpants “ It maybe that Foster is rated well by the players, but that doesn't mean he is any good”
This several times over - why is anyone surprised that undroppable players rate the guy who refuses to drop them?
Hammett was rated highly by the Canes players. I think players loving their coach too much is a red flag.
So if senior players are not asked their opinion, who should be? I actually think most senior players do recognise good coaching etc, most Crusaders players seem to like Razor, does that raise a red flag?
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This saga shows how bloody hard it is to change a structure where the top tier needs changing
NZR/Head Coach/Assistants/AB Captain/AB Players
Pure speculation, but the best person to sort this out would be Whitelock. Ask him who do you want to run the show. He knows it all, been in a successful environment with Crusaders for years. Knows what works. Totally unfair on Whitelock of course. The situation is a mess.
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
This saga shows how bloody hard it is to change a structure where the top tier needs changing
NZR/Head Coach/Assistants/AB Captain/AB Players
Pure speculation, but the best person to sort this out would be Whitelock. Ask him who do you want to run the show. He knows it all, been in a successful environment with Crusaders for years. Knows what works. Totally unfair on Whitelock of course. The situation is a mess.
Well Whitelock would of been in senior players group who do these reviews, That's how it has worked for last 15 odd years at least that I know of. I don't think we realise how much say they have, they actually meeting from about Feb/March each year and working with coaches etc. Well before any team is named etc.
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@Dan54 my comment was tongue in cheek mate
@No-Quarter Lol yep mate, but still had a bit of sense about it!!!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
