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@ACT-Crusader @voodoo there's 2
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Megan Rapinoe: Banning Transgender Athletes from Women's Sports Is 'Disgusting'
In an interview this week, U.S. women’s soccer player Megan Rapinoe called bans on transgender
Rapinoe’s recent activist logic:
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Demands equal pay for “women” athletes.
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Insists that sheilas with testicles qualify as “women.”
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What a difference a day makes.
Pt 1: Sunday, June 19
Pt 2: Monday, June 20
FIFA, World Athletics review transgender rules after swimming's change
World soccer's governing body FIFA and World Athletics said on Monday that they are reviewing their transgender eligibility policies after swimming passed new rules that restrict transgender participation in women's events.
Thank god somebody at FINA had a spine and common sense. FINA leads, FIFA follows.
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I really hope s/he wins.
The University of Pennsylvania has nominated transgender swimmer Lia Thomas for the 2022 NCAA Woman of the Year award, the American college sports regulating body said.
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@MajorRage I'm with @Kid-Chocolate
Just for the shits and giggles.
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Party time, excellent.
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Sounds a good outcome.
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Lia Thomas Loses Bid for NCAA Woman of the Year Award
Biologial male “transgender” swimmer Will “Lia” Thomas’ bid for NCAA’s 2022 Woman of the Year came t
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@Kid-Chocolate thank goodness. Never should have been considered.
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@Kid-Chocolate I’m adamantly against trans women competing on equal terms in women’s sports, and I think Thomas does sports no favours on that front.
But I have to say the article you linked to is a shitty piece of writing.
Whatever we think about the impact of trans activism on women’s lives, Lia Thomas is perfectly entitled to call herself Lia and to refer to herself as a trans woman if she wants, and she hurts nobody if she does so. There’s no need to the writer to put those things in quotation marks, that’s just being an arsehole.
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@JC You’re right that he can call himself whatever he wants to but Thomas is biologically male whether he likes it or not. No amount of hormones and bodily reconstruction can change this. He has invited criticism but competing against females with an unfair advantage. Thomas knows this whether he admits to it or not. Trans athletes have injected themselves into these situations where common sense dictates it is wrong. Trans athletes should create their own competitions and not disrupt biological norms of competition.
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I'm starting to err to the right-wing on this.
@JC said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Whatever we think about the impact of trans activism on women’s lives, Lia Thomas is perfectly entitled to call herself Lia and to refer to herself as a trans woman if she wants, and she hurts nobody if she does so. There’s no need to the writer to put those things in quotation marks, that’s just being an arsehole.
See I think I do agree with the above.
But, and Imentioned this on another thread a while back, lots going on in my world these days with menopause. As all this goes down, I'm learning more and more about the female part of the reproduction cycle. Not what you learn in school, the real world. The hormone changes etc. Watching my wife go through two pregnancies was amazing, and honestly, completely unrelatable. Now, as the monthly cycles are changing, it's really shit. And we, as blokes have to be honest here. We really got the good end of the deal. As much as we joke about 1 grumpy week a month etc, it really is much more than that and most of it, in fact almost all of it ... is pretty shithouse.
Thus, I think woman have every right in the world, to be up in arms when trans woman are treated 100% like woman.
Unless you go through all of that, I just can't see how you really understand what it actually means to be a woman & why you should be granted all of the rights that are associated with that.
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@MajorRage said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
I'm starting to err to the right-wing on this.
Lovely phrasing.
100% agree with the entire post, BTW.For what it's worth: The one person I've met "IRL" - with the most virulent opinions on this - has a vagina, and fucking detests trans in women-categorised classes.
I still don't know what the answer is, but the best idea I've heard so far is dismissing "Mens" and "Womens" classifications in sport (fuck, it's sexist, innit?) - and bring in "Open", and ... let each individual agency open up whatever other catergories the fuck they want...
Weight, Current-Testosterone, Testosterone-as-measured-at-puberty, height, identified-sexuality, current-penis-or-vagina, birth-penis-or-vagina, fucking... whatever they want.
Boxing/UFC categorises by weight... is that fattist? Just... Open or "choose the class you want to compete in, and change your weight, dick, whatever - to reach the limit" -
To complicate matters further... I watched something recently where some 'disabled' dude wanted to be able to compete in the Olympics against 'non-disabled'...
I think he was a long-jumper?
And had a prosthetic leg.
A prosthetic leg that was literally a fucking spring.
He's gonna nail the "Open" class. So then... Olympics categories become... "Open", "non-prosthetic-with-birth-dick", "non-prosthetic-with-birth-vagina", "non-prosthetic-who-tested-below-testerone-level-X-at-age-12", etc -
@broughie said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@JC You’re right that he can call himself whatever he wants to but Thomas is biologically male whether he likes it or not. No amount of hormones and bodily reconstruction can change this. He has invited criticism but competing against females with an unfair advantage. Thomas knows this whether he admits to it or not. Trans athletes have injected themselves into these situations where common sense dictates it is wrong. Trans athletes should create their own competitions and not disrupt biological norms of competition.
As I said I don’t agree with their right to compete, and I also admit that he may be a bit cynical in what they’re doing. But that’s not my point, which is that you can make all of those arguments without being a dick about it.
Putting “transgender” and “Lia” in quotes are unnecessary provocations. Lia Thomas considers herself to be a transgender woman, which is her right. She calls herself Lia, which is as uncontroversial as me saying call me Bob.
I can disagree that a trans woman is identical to a natal woman - which I do - or that trans women should be able to compete against natal women - which I do - without denigrating Lia Thomas or other trans people or insinuating that they are all charlatans. And so can the author.
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@JC I get where you are coming from and if I met him I would call him Lia and be friendly but if I was there where he won that NCAA event I would have made a statement. Turned my back perhaps.
TownHall is a conservative rag whose audience is what it is. Conservative media is a minority compared to liberal media. Conservatives are slammed with far worse, for differences in opinion, than your concerns in this article. Disagreement results in the typical name-calling with any “phobe” suffix that can be added.
So the conservative side in the States has started to push back. Right or wrong but the bear has been poke and quiet hard working people are expressing themselves more and not accepting someone saying the sky is red when it is not. The Dems will be displaced this election cycle because they don’t support common sense ideas.
So this is the context. This is why Trump was popular because he fought back. Not always in the kindest way. That is why I would prefer DeSantis. He is confrontational without being nasty.
Appreciate your thoughts and we really are not far apart.
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Transgender debate, in sport, in general
Incarcerated transgender woman Demi Minor impregnates two inmates at...
