Foster, Robertson etc
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Holland was in Razor’s team which people are saying yuck. But the Canes attack, which he runs, is really innovative. It is all the rest that is the problem. I think he would have been fine under Razor as an assist, but can’t lead a team to save his life - seems quite common!
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Holland was in Razor’s team which people are saying yuck. But the Canes attack, which he runs, is really innovative. It is all the rest that is the problem. I think he would have been fine under Razor as an assist, but can’t lead a team to save his life - seems quite common!
@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Holland was in Razor’s team which people are saying yuck. But the Canes attack, which he runs, is really innovative. It is all the rest that is the problem. I think he would have been fine under Razor as an assist, but can’t lead a team to save his life - seems quite common!
It seems to be a Head Coach it takes a special bred,A lot of very good Assistant coaches around.
Tony Brown an example great asst coach but it seems a shit HC.
Holland is seems the same. -
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
If wiki is accurate:
"He replaced Wayne Smith as defence coach for the All Blacks after their third Bledisloe test against Australia on 22nd of October 2017" -
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
he left us after the 2017 super season
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
When it all started going to shit - 2017 after the Professor left. There's a magnificent correlation since then...
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
When it all started going to shit - 2017 after the Professor left. There's a magnificent correlation since then...
@antipodean first loss to Ireland was 2016 so think the rot had already started
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On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
@Chris-B our goal line defence is, at times very good, but it's in that 10m (thier side) to our 22 zone we seem to concede huge metres when they run it, and our scramble from these isn't very good.
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@antipodean first loss to Ireland was 2016 so think the rot had already started
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@antipodean first loss to Ireland was 2016 so think the rot had already started
That wasn't a defence issue. That was an arrogance issue.
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well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
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well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
not good when you see it laid out like that
my simple front rowers mind does wonder sometimes, the idea of a super fluid and free flowing and unstructured attack doesn't seem to sit naturally with a solid structured defence...i mean if anyone can be anywhere on attack then its hard to suddenly get back into structure if the ball is turned over
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
not good when you see it laid out like that
my simple front rowers mind does wonder sometimes, the idea of a super fluid and free flowing and unstructured attack doesn't seem to sit naturally with a solid structured defence...i mean if anyone can be anywhere on attack then its hard to suddenly get back into structure if the ball is turned over
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
not good when you see it laid out like that
my simple front rowers mind does wonder sometimes, the idea of a super fluid and free flowing and unstructured attack doesn't seem to sit naturally with a solid structured defence...i mean if anyone can be anywhere on attack then its hard to suddenly get back into structure if the ball is turned over
I imagine that is where the system changes to being about having somebody/anybody covering certain spots rather than expecting a certain player/position to be in a certain place.
This is why multiple phase attacks work well as you keep recycling (and hopefully going forward) changing the point of attack until you spot a mismatch such as two props covering 10 metres of width. Our attack currently is more concerned about not getting shut down by rush defence and finding a way to get that roll on whereas maybe we need to take a more basic approach with forwards not having to move far to secure a phase. -
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
"Robertson told the interview panel that his assistants would be All Blacks defence coach Scott McLeod, who had worked under Sir Steve Hansen since late 2017 and is now in Foster's group, Blues head coach Leon MacDonald, Crusaders forwards coach Jason Ryan and Hurricanes assistant (now head coach) Jason Holland."
Man, that's a very good group of coaches.
Canes fans may disagree.
Holland would be on par with the muppets we have just got rid off. Also unsure where Robertson would use Rangi who appears much more an overall 'manager' than technical guy.
I'd be more excited if Tony Brown was attack coach.Leon's a technical guy.
He did 6 years as an Assistant Coach with the Mako and another year of Ass coaching for Razor at the Crusaders. He was initially recruited as an Ass coach at the Blues.
I recall those 40 degree guys (whatever their name was) who used to do those analysis videos did one of the Mako showing they were using a unique pod system under Leon.
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@Chris-B whatever happened to those 10:14 guys? Seemed to be gaining traction then vanished. Always liked them.
@game_film That's them!!!
No idea.
Probably didn't have a big enough audience.
That Squidge guy will be just about making a living out of his youtube hits though. I see his most popular video has over a million hits and that's probably $4-5K - and his Ireland one seems to have some promotional stuff in the middle of it.
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well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
@mariner4life Good work that man!
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@Chris-B whatever happened to those 10:14 guys? Seemed to be gaining traction then vanished. Always liked them.
@game_film said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B whatever happened to those 10:14 guys? Seemed to be gaining traction then vanished. Always liked them.
They went to Spark Sport for the RWC and that was the end.
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@mariner4life Under Hansen - but, no idea exactly when and i don't have time for "research" today.
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life Under Hansen - but, no idea exactly when and i don't have time for "research" today.
Didn't he come on as replacement for Smith? I know Smith talked him up quite a bit. I don't know that our defence systems are that bad, I think the tests we lose the tendency has come after opposition have won a shit load of front foot ball. There is a huge difference between defending a team with more ball than youself tan doing it when said team has front foot ball.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
not good when you see it laid out like that
my simple front rowers mind does wonder sometimes, the idea of a super fluid and free flowing and unstructured attack doesn't seem to sit naturally with a solid structured defence...i mean if anyone can be anywhere on attack then its hard to suddenly get back into structure if the ball is turned over
I imagine that is where the system changes to being about having somebody/anybody covering certain spots rather than expecting a certain player/position to be in a certain place.
This is why multiple phase attacks work well as you keep recycling (and hopefully going forward) changing the point of attack until you spot a mismatch such as two props covering 10 metres of width. Our attack currently is more concerned about not getting shut down by rush defence and finding a way to get that roll on whereas maybe we need to take a more basic approach with forwards not having to move far to secure a phase.@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
well, here's the numbers
looks like 63 tests
Average score conceded 17
allowed 25+ points 11 timesFor comparison, the 2011-2015 group played 81 times, average score conceded 15, allowed 25+ points 6 times.
what is a solid point is 6 of those 25+ scores against have come in the last 24 tests. And we lost 5 of them.
not good when you see it laid out like that
my simple front rowers mind does wonder sometimes, the idea of a super fluid and free flowing and unstructured attack doesn't seem to sit naturally with a solid structured defence...i mean if anyone can be anywhere on attack then its hard to suddenly get back into structure if the ball is turned over
I imagine that is where the system changes to being about having somebody/anybody covering certain spots rather than expecting a certain player/position to be in a certain place.
This is why multiple phase attacks work well as you keep recycling (and hopefully going forward) changing the point of attack until you spot a mismatch such as two props covering 10 metres of width. Our attack currently is more concerned about not getting shut down by rush defence and finding a way to get that roll on whereas maybe we need to take a more basic approach with forwards not having to move far to secure a phase.I think I would like to see our forwards attack closer to scrum/breakdown, first thing I really believe is we have to make it over advantage line, I think we can read too much into how many metres a forward carries in a game, if one carries 6 times for 5-10 metres gained and given a target for following forwards is I believe worth gold, as long as supporting players are close to create FAST ball! I find rugby quite simple in that kind of thing, advantage line is everything!
