All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship
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The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
I assume this was aimed at me. I dunno. But for the broken record, I am an Akira fan (seem to see him more as an 8 but hey). But he is a confidence player, and needs to be motivated and he needs a better fit with team strategy (as in, the current team strategy sucks big hairy lemons).
But when it comes to the ABs I'd rather they sort out the team than have my fave players dragged down by an albatross coach and rugby board.
So I'm not going to argue Shannon vs Akira. I prefer Akira but it is a small cut rather than a big one. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
RTS, ALB, Ioane, DMac and Jordan could be a world class lethal backline if the rest of the team is firing but I doubt we'll ever see it.
There's a fair bit to be proven at test level with that combo - 12 RTS; 14 DMac; 15 Jordan.
Add in Smith and Barrett/Mo'unga and it's a bit on the small side.
I don't mind Jordie at 15 as a big body to truck the ball up (I'm still in no rush to push Will into 15). Caleb Clark might help with that as well, but if Rieko is sent back to the wing, Caleb only makes the bench at best.
All moot while ALB (and Goodhue?) is out in any case. Quite possible that those two are the preferred midfield and I can't even tell you who plays in which jersey!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
RTS, ALB, Ioane, DMac and Jordan could be a world class lethal backline if the rest of the team is firing but I doubt we'll ever see it.
There's a fair bit to be proven at test level with that combo - 12 RTS; 14 DMac; 15 Jordan.
Add in Smith and Barrett/Mo'unga and it's a bit on the small side.
I don't mind Jordie at 15 as a big body to truck the ball up (I'm still in no rush to push Will into 15). Caleb Clark might help with that as well, but if Rieko is sent back to the wing, Caleb only makes the bench at best.
All moot while ALB (and Goodhue?) is out in any case. Quite possible that those two are the preferred midfield and I can't even tell you who plays in which jersey!
BB, RTS, ALB, Ioane, DMac and Jordan
-the only small guy there is DMac. RTS is nearly 100 kg and a six footer. As big or bigger than Crotty (who could play at 13!). Havilli is 1-2cm taller but lighter. -
This is an innocent question but is Goodhue an international-level 12? Loved him at 13 (great rugby brain and distribution) but he was slowish at international level before his injuries and I heard early reports he was taking awhile to adjust to 12-and I haven't seen the Crusader games..
So, serious question, has he looked amongst the frontrunners at 12? (Given he seems to have lost even more speed I assume he is not a frontrunner at 13).@nostrildamus who knows, by all accounts he wasnt 100% when he came back, close, but not 100 and got exposed a couple of times.
I expect closer in at 12, may be less of an issue, when he did play there he was still doing work on defence and cleaning/securing rucks (which is a role he does a bit at 12 and 13)
Like everything though, it all comes back to the game plan and how these guys are meant to play, hopefully Schmidt will add some structure and reduce the reliance on x-factor and big plays.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
RTS, ALB, Ioane, DMac and Jordan could be a world class lethal backline if the rest of the team is firing but I doubt we'll ever see it.
There's a fair bit to be proven at test level with that combo - 12 RTS; 14 DMac; 15 Jordan.
Add in Smith and Barrett/Mo'unga and it's a bit on the small side.
I don't mind Jordie at 15 as a big body to truck the ball up (I'm still in no rush to push Will into 15). Caleb Clark might help with that as well, but if Rieko is sent back to the wing, Caleb only makes the bench at best.
All moot while ALB (and Goodhue?) is out in any case. Quite possible that those two are the preferred midfield and I can't even tell you who plays in which jersey!
BB, RTS, ALB, Ioane, DMac and Jordan
-the only small guy there is DMac. RTS is nearly 100 kg and a six footer. As big or bigger than Crotty (who could play at 13!). Havilli is 1-2cm taller but lighter.@nostrildamus You can run 108kg Samu Kerevi at four or five guys in that backline who are going to be giving him 10+kg. Or a forward - close to the line that size advantage will be decisive - e.g. Porter vs Tupaea in the 2nd test
As a unit for me it is "a bit on the small side".
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@nostrildamus You can run 108kg Samu Kerevi at four or five guys in that backline who are going to be giving him 10+kg. Or a forward - close to the line that size advantage will be decisive - e.g. Porter vs Tupaea in the 2nd test
As a unit for me it is "a bit on the small side".
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@nostrildamus You can run 108kg Samu Kerevi at four or five guys in that backline who are going to be giving him 10+kg. Or a forward - close to the line that size advantage will be decisive - e.g. Porter vs Tupaea in the 2nd test
As a unit for me it is "a bit on the small side".
Kerevi still goes down against smaller players as proved in the Sevens.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@nostrildamus You can run 108kg Samu Kerevi at four or five guys in that backline who are going to be giving him 10+kg. Or a forward - close to the line that size advantage will be decisive - e.g. Porter vs Tupaea in the 2nd test
As a unit for me it is "a bit on the small side".
Kerevi still goes down against smaller players as proved in the Sevens.
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@Crucial We could go Clarke, ALB, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie.
Big and fast and I think four of those five should be locked in.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial We could go Clarke, ALB, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie.
Big and fast and I think four of those five should be locked in.
Yeah I was just thinking you kind of have to have Jordie at 12, (perhaps you are a) closet Canes supporter!!
But Ben Smith wasn't huge and he did ok against bigger, taller blokes.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial We could go Clarke, ALB, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie.
Big and fast and I think four of those five should be locked in.
Yeah I was just thinking you kind of have to have Jordie at 12, (perhaps you are a) closet Canes supporter!!
But Ben Smith wasn't huge and he did ok against bigger, taller blokes.
Then there was Sammy T...@nostrildamus It's not just individuals, but also the unit - and the potential to lose consecutive collisions.
Crucial's selection isn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it's smaller than I think is ideal.
In theory, I like Jordie at 12 because he gives us a big body there - an option we don't really have otherwise (we can also get a medium-sized Goodhue or Tupaea at 12). For the record, I'm sure Jordie is now 105+kgs.
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Akira has been one of the shining lights of the ABs recently. He was instrumental in getting us back in the game against the French last year - he, ST and SB starting hitting it up close in and got us awesome go forward. For me he's the incumbent 6, and I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him. I'd say they see Frizzel as someone who technically has similar physical attributes to Akira (though has never shown it at test level) so could cover in case of injury.
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Akira has been one of the shining lights of the ABs recently. He was instrumental in getting us back in the game against the French last year - he, ST and SB starting hitting it up close in and got us awesome go forward. For me he's the incumbent 6, and I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him. I'd say they see Frizzel as someone who technically has similar physical attributes to Akira (though has never shown it at test level) so could cover in case of injury.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him
unfortunately i would not
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him
unfortunately i would not
@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him
unfortunately i would not
me neither, i would almost put money on friz starting
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@Crucial We could go Clarke, ALB, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie.
Big and fast and I think four of those five should be locked in.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial We could go Clarke, ALB, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie.
Big and fast and I think four of those five should be locked in.
Hey, my backline was a fantasy one based on performing forwards and halves, not what will or should happen. Just saying they would be lethal on any opportunities offered and fun to watch.
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Scott Barrett at 6. They will be worried about countering the Bok's size and physicality.
But, it's a difficult team to predict, because this will be Ryan's forward pack, rather than Plumtree's - and there's questions about whether they "give the boys another chance to put things right", or there's a significant change of tack.
My guess is the former, but a clear loss would surely necessitate a significant change of course.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial We could go Clarke, ALB, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie.
Big and fast and I think four of those five should be locked in.
Hey, my backline was a fantasy one based on performing forwards and halves, not what will or should happen. Just saying they would be lethal on any opportunities offered and fun to watch.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him
unfortunately i would not
me neither, i would almost put money on friz starting
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him
unfortunately i would not
me neither, i would almost put money on friz starting
The woman beater/coward punch thrower didn't make the original squad. I don't think he's leap frogged a bunch of people. He's the replacement for the dropped PGS
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'd be shocked if they were to pick the failed Frizzel ahead of him
unfortunately i would not
me neither, i would almost put money on friz starting
The woman beater/coward punch thrower didn't make the original squad. I don't think he's leap frogged a bunch of people. He's the replacement for the dropped PGS
@Duluth see i see it the other way, they tried some other options...and lost...and so in fozzies simplistic mind he's going back to when we won games. this is based on PGS did nothing to warrant being dropped in my mind and frizell has done nothing (no games) to earn being recalled
please dont confuse this with what i would, i would be quite happy to never see him in a black or blue and yellow jersey again
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@nostrildamus It's not just individuals, but also the unit - and the potential to lose consecutive collisions.
Crucial's selection isn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it's smaller than I think is ideal.
In theory, I like Jordie at 12 because he gives us a big body there - an option we don't really have otherwise (we can also get a medium-sized Goodhue or Tupaea at 12). For the record, I'm sure Jordie is now 105+kgs.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@nostrildamus It's not just individuals, but also the unit - and the potential to lose consecutive collisions.
Crucial's selection isn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it's smaller than I think is ideal.
In theory, I like Jordie at 12 because he gives us a big body there - an option we don't really have otherwise (we can also get a medium-sized Goodhue or Tupaea at 12). For the record, I'm sure Jordie is now 105+kgs.
Ok, but you didn't get tempted by the bigger body stats of Leicester, somewhere? 1.88m 109kg? Bit raw to be sure but only 22.
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Scott Barrett at 6. They will be worried about countering the Bok's size and physicality.
But, it's a difficult team to predict, because this will be Ryan's forward pack, rather than Plumtree's - and there's questions about whether they "give the boys another chance to put things right", or there's a significant change of tack.
My guess is the former, but a clear loss would surely necessitate a significant change of course.
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@Duluth see i see it the other way, they tried some other options...and lost...and so in fozzies simplistic mind he's going back to when we won games. this is based on PGS did nothing to warrant being dropped in my mind and frizell has done nothing (no games) to earn being recalled
please dont confuse this with what i would, i would be quite happy to never see him in a black or blue and yellow jersey again
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
PGS did nothing to warrant being dropped
A few other players could've been dropped too, but PGS earned his demotion
The lady hitter wouldn't have been my pick to replace him. However I think he got selected because he already has a few caps and they are running out of Tests to blood someone before the RWC (I disagree with this position too)
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@nostrildamus It's not just individuals, but also the unit - and the potential to lose consecutive collisions.
Crucial's selection isn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it's smaller than I think is ideal.
In theory, I like Jordie at 12 because he gives us a big body there - an option we don't really have otherwise (we can also get a medium-sized Goodhue or Tupaea at 12). For the record, I'm sure Jordie is now 105+kgs.
Ok, but you didn't get tempted by the bigger body stats of Leicester, somewhere? 1.88m 109kg? Bit raw to be sure but only 22.
@nostrildamus I've written plenty about Leicester already. One for the future.
