Foster, Robertson etc
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I was trying to show I was referring to your avatar and not you as a person. Clearly didn’t do it very well!
You have contributed a lot to the thread and offered a different point of view than most who are ready to burn Foster at the stake.
You quite rightly state their are lots of issues in Nz rugby and a new coach won’t fix those or necessarily did all the problems with the All Blacks.
I might be paraphrasing but You argued that because foster has lost 2 games in a row then that should be the years stuck for the new coach. Which is seriously flawed.
Foster has underwhelmed as AB coach since his first test match in charge which he was lucky to draw against an Oz side that selected its players from the teams that were routinely put to the sword by Nz super teams. But he was lucky to come out with a draw.
Unfortunately, he has dragged the ABs down to his level and we are regressing under his leadership - nothing we are doing can be considered world class at international level.
We need to take the ABs in isolation and look to fix the problems of that squad. Arguing that we should stick with the status who as we don’t know that the next guy will be better is just accepting mediocrity and not recognising that we have better talent available to lead the squad.
Taking Fozzie out of the equation should have happened by now imo. Hell, even letting the senior players run the team for a couple of weeks would probably lead to an improvement
@DaGrubster said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I was trying to show I was referring to your avatar and not you as a person. Clearly didn’t do it very well!
You have contributed a lot to the thread and offered a different point of view than most who are ready to burn Foster at the stake.
You quite rightly state their are lots of issues in Nz rugby and a new coach won’t fix those or necessarily did all the problems with the All Blacks.
I might be paraphrasing but You argued that because foster has lost 2 games in a row then that should be the years stuck for the new coach. Which is seriously flawed.
Foster has underwhelmed as AB coach since his first test match in charge which he was lucky to draw against an Oz side that selected its players from the teams that were routinely put to the sword by Nz super teams. But he was lucky to come out with a draw.
Unfortunately, he has dragged the ABs down to his level and we are regressing under his leadership - nothing we are doing can be considered world class at international level.
We need to take the ABs in isolation and look to fix the problems of that squad. Arguing that we should stick with the status who as we don’t know that the next guy will be better is just accepting mediocrity and not recognising that we have better talent available to lead the squad.
Taking Fozzie out of the equation should have happened by now imo. Hell, even letting the senior players run the team for a couple of weeks would probably lead to an improvement
The ABs have regressed since the 2016 EOYT. To say Fozzie hasn't had enough time to turn things around is absurd. 6 years he's been involved and the team is going backwards. 6 years of average results is more than enough to phuck this guy off.
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At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
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Could go in a few threads, basically taken what has been written elsewhere
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
I joined TSF that night, and I never left 🤯🥺
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
I joined TSF that night, and I never left 🤯🥺
🤬@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
I joined TSF that night, and I never left 🤯🥺
🤬just when i thought we'd exercised that demon...we find we're still suffering the consequences of that night
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At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
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@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
I joined TSF that night, and I never left 🤯🥺
🤬just when i thought we'd exercised that demon...we find we're still suffering the consequences of that night
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
Venting takes time. I'd like to know how many posts there were on the 2007 RWC QF match thread....
I joined TSF that night, and I never left 🤯🥺
🤬just when i thought we'd exercised that demon...we find we're still suffering the consequences of that night
Long covid19 has got nothing on Long Cardiff07
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At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
If we can get this up to 2500 posts we can then submit it to NZR as a petition to get rid of Foster
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Could go in a few threads, basically taken what has been written elsewhere
@Unite said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Could go in a few threads, basically taken what has been written elsewhere
Written by lightweight sports journalist Christy Doran - headline alone is clickbait for a domestic audience..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Big parallels with NZ rugby after the '71 Lions tour. Then, too many people didn't smell the coffee, refused to accept our overall skills and player pool were poor and decided one new coach after another was the solution
so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters?
:fishing_pole:seriously though, for me it isnt even about the score on the board, its about how we get there right now, how we play, showing we have learnt, can adapt and have a some direction is quite important now.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters?
We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.
But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters?
We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.
But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now
Even not being alive then, I'd say without a shadow of a doubt it would have been!
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@Victor-Meldrew The arrival of Jones, Zinny, Fitzpatrick and Kirwan was a good time.
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew The arrival of Jones, Zinny, Fitzpatrick and Kirwan was a good time.
Don't want to bang on about my longevity, but the turnaround happened in '77 when, with an totally underpowered pack, we beat the Lions with some of the most intelligent rugby I've seen played.
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The 56 Springbok tour and 71 Lions tour were the stories I heard as a young fella listening to dad and his mates. They had so much respect for the 71 Lions. No disrespect to the 2022 Irish side, who created history, but it does feel it was given to them all a bit too easily.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
My boy?
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
My boy?
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
My boy?
Your son.
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The 56 Springbok tour and 71 Lions tour were the stories I heard as a young fella listening to dad and his mates. They had so much respect for the 71 Lions. No disrespect to the 2022 Irish side, who created history, but it does feel it was given to them all a bit too easily.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
They had so much respect for the 71 Lions.
Even more for Carwyn James who was arguably the greatest coach Rugby has seen. He utterly changed the way the game was played and you can pretty much trace today's attacking game back to him.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/10/carwyn-james-lions-1971-mastermind
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
They had so much respect for the 71 Lions.
Even more for Carwyn James who was arguably the greatest coach Rugby has seen. He utterly changed the way the game was played and you can pretty much trace today's attacking game back to him.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/10/carwyn-james-lions-1971-mastermind
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
They had so much respect for the 71 Lions.
Even more for Carwyn James who was arguably the greatest coach Rugby has seen. He utterly changed the way the game was played and you can pretty much trace today's attacking game back to him.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/10/carwyn-james-lions-1971-mastermind
Brilliant coach re defined back play in the 1970’s
struggled with life away from the Rugby field.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
My boy?
Your son.
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
My boy?
Your son.
You’ve lost me even more.
If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.
Take that as you wish.
We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.
My boy?
Your son.
You’ve lost me even more.
If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.
