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    Old Samurai Jack
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    The 56 Springbok tour and 71 Lions tour were the stories I heard as a young fella listening to dad and his mates. They had so much respect for the 71 Lions. No disrespect to the 2022 Irish side, who created history, but it does feel it was given to them all a bit too easily.

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    • FrankF Frank

      @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

      Take that as you wish.

      We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

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      Crucial
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      #1740

      @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

      Take that as you wish.

      We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

      My boy?

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      • CrucialC Crucial

        @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

        At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

        Take that as you wish.

        We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

        My boy?

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        Frank
        wrote on last edited by
        #1741

        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

        @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

        At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

        Take that as you wish.

        We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

        My boy?

        Your son.

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        • O Old Samurai Jack

          The 56 Springbok tour and 71 Lions tour were the stories I heard as a young fella listening to dad and his mates. They had so much respect for the 71 Lions. No disrespect to the 2022 Irish side, who created history, but it does feel it was given to them all a bit too easily.

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          Victor Meldrew
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          @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          They had so much respect for the 71 Lions.

          Even more for Carwyn James who was arguably the greatest coach Rugby has seen. He utterly changed the way the game was played and you can pretty much trace today's attacking game back to him.

          https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/10/carwyn-james-lions-1971-mastermind

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          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

            @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            They had so much respect for the 71 Lions.

            Even more for Carwyn James who was arguably the greatest coach Rugby has seen. He utterly changed the way the game was played and you can pretty much trace today's attacking game back to him.

            https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/10/carwyn-james-lions-1971-mastermind

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            Chris
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            #1743

            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            They had so much respect for the 71 Lions.

            Even more for Carwyn James who was arguably the greatest coach Rugby has seen. He utterly changed the way the game was played and you can pretty much trace today's attacking game back to him.

            https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/10/carwyn-james-lions-1971-mastermind

            Brilliant coach re defined back play in the 1970’s
            struggled with life away from the Rugby field.
            He couldn’t really talk about it in those times.

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            • FrankF Frank

              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

              Take that as you wish.

              We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

              My boy?

              Your son.

              CrucialC Offline
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              Crucial
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              #1744

              @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

              Take that as you wish.

              We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

              My boy?

              Your son.

              You’ve lost me even more.
              If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
              What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
              Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

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              • CrucialC Crucial

                @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                Take that as you wish.

                We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                My boy?

                Your son.

                You’ve lost me even more.
                If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

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                Bones
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                #1745

                @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                I'm think I'm one of the better placed ones to firmly reject this apology. This misunderstanding seems rather wilful.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                  I'm think I'm one of the better placed ones to firmly reject this apology. This misunderstanding seems rather wilful.

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                  Crucial
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                  #1746

                  @Bones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                  I'm think I'm one of the better placed ones to firmly reject this apology. This misunderstanding seems rather wilful.

                  True.
                  When it suits it suits.

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                  • CrucialC Crucial

                    @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                    Take that as you wish.

                    We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                    My boy?

                    Your son.

                    You’ve lost me even more.
                    If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                    What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                    Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

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                    Catogrande
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1747

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                    Take that as you wish.

                    We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                    My boy?

                    Your son.

                    You’ve lost me even more.
                    If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                    What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                    Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                    Yeah, but Foster is fat. So Ner!

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                    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                      @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? πŸ˜‰ 🎣

                      We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                      But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

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                      Dan54
                      wrote on last edited by Dan54
                      #1748

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? πŸ˜‰ 🎣

                      We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                      But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                      Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

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                      • CrucialC Crucial

                        @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                        Take that as you wish.

                        We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                        My boy?

                        Your son.

                        You’ve lost me even more.
                        If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                        What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                        Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

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                        Frank
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1749

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                        Take that as you wish.

                        We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                        My boy?

                        Your son.

                        You’ve lost me even more.
                        If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                        What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                        Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                        Thank God you are here raising the tone of this place!

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                        • FrankF Frank

                          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                          Take that as you wish.

                          We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                          My boy?

                          Your son.

                          You’ve lost me even more.
                          If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                          What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                          Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                          Thank God you are here raising the tone of this place!

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                          Crucial
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1750

                          @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          At this point of posting there are 1697 posts in this thread saying basically the same thing.

                          Take that as you wish.

                          We ain't finished with your boy Foster yet.

                          My boy?

                          Your son.

                          You’ve lost me even more.
                          If you’re trying to paint me as a Foster white knight then I can only ask that you look back at the numerous critical posts I have made.
                          What I will also do though is call out people talking bollocks and endlessly repeating themselves. I’m also happy to discuss the reasoning behind some decisions to try and understand them instead of just making knee jerk comments about fatness and stupidity.
                          Apologies if I have misunderstood this place as having discussion boards.

                          Thank God you are here raising the tone of this place!

                          Someone has to try. Don't want to turn into GAGR.

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                          • Dan54D Dan54

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? πŸ˜‰ 🎣

                            We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                            But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                            Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

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                            #1751

                            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? πŸ˜‰ 🎣

                            We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                            But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                            Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

                            TLDR

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                            • Dan54D Dan54

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? πŸ˜‰ 🎣

                              We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                              But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                              Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

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                              mariner4life
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                              @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                              i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

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                                #1753

                                @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

                                Somewhere, someone's pedantometer just exploded

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                                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                  @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                  i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

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                                  Tim
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                                  #1754

                                  @mariner4life Dementia?

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                    i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

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                                    Dan54
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1755

                                    @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                    i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

                                    You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
                                    Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

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                                    • Dan54D Dan54

                                      @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                      i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

                                      You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
                                      Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

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                                      Frank
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1756

                                      @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                      i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

                                      You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
                                      Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

                                      Just to help you, I bolded a few of the more obvious grammar errors in your above misguided rant. Tell us more about real rugby supporters!

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                                        Crucial
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                                        #1757

                                        alt text

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                                        • Dan54D Dan54

                                          @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                          i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

                                          You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
                                          Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

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                                          No Quarter
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1758

                                          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

                                          i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

                                          You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
                                          Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

                                          I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

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