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  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph
    Matfield felt the Springboks had an advantage in this key defensive area that they needed to maximise to set up attacking options in the opening Rugby Championship clash at Mbombela Stadium on Saturday.
    
    โ€œThe New Zealand defence has been one of the slowest in terms of coming off the line. That is what gave the Ireland attack a lot of opportunity over the course of that series,โ€ he said.
    
    โ€œIf South Africa was playing against Ireland, for example, they would come off the line a lot quicker to shut down the options. Ireland would probably struggle to get more than one or two passes away. As a result, Ireland would probably be forced to kick a lot more.
    
    โ€œNew Zealand donโ€™t have the best defence at the moment. The Boks can run at them โ€“ and Iโ€™m not talking about running from deep within our own half. If we get into their half, we can build through our forwards, and we can come round the corner. Once we set the platform, we can play a few options. That is how you can build momentum against them.โ€
    

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129461213/springboks-great-victor-matfield-puts-more-pressure-on-all-blacks-captain-sam-cane

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    #1762

    @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    Matfield felt the Springboks had an advantage in this key defensive area that they needed to maximise to set up attacking options in the opening Rugby Championship clash at Mbombela Stadium on Saturday.
    
    โ€œThe New Zealand defence has been one of the slowest in terms of coming off the line. That is what gave the Ireland attack a lot of opportunity over the course of that series,โ€ he said.
    
    โ€œIf South Africa was playing against Ireland, for example, they would come off the line a lot quicker to shut down the options. Ireland would probably struggle to get more than one or two passes away. As a result, Ireland would probably be forced to kick a lot more.
    
    โ€œNew Zealand donโ€™t have the best defence at the moment. The Boks can run at them โ€“ and Iโ€™m not talking about running from deep within our own half. If we get into their half, we can build through our forwards, and we can come round the corner. Once we set the platform, we can play a few options. That is how you can build momentum against them.โ€
    

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129461213/springboks-great-victor-matfield-puts-more-pressure-on-all-blacks-captain-sam-cane

    Scott McLeod, ignoring the effectiveness rush defence since 2017

    EDIT: crazy since the Canes had won the SR the year before on awesome rush defence. No tries conceeded in the finals, that will never be equalled

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    • M Machpants

      @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      Matfield felt the Springboks had an advantage in this key defensive area that they needed to maximise to set up attacking options in the opening Rugby Championship clash at Mbombela Stadium on Saturday.
      
      โ€œThe New Zealand defence has been one of the slowest in terms of coming off the line. That is what gave the Ireland attack a lot of opportunity over the course of that series,โ€ he said.
      
      โ€œIf South Africa was playing against Ireland, for example, they would come off the line a lot quicker to shut down the options. Ireland would probably struggle to get more than one or two passes away. As a result, Ireland would probably be forced to kick a lot more.
      
      โ€œNew Zealand donโ€™t have the best defence at the moment. The Boks can run at them โ€“ and Iโ€™m not talking about running from deep within our own half. If we get into their half, we can build through our forwards, and we can come round the corner. Once we set the platform, we can play a few options. That is how you can build momentum against them.โ€
      

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129461213/springboks-great-victor-matfield-puts-more-pressure-on-all-blacks-captain-sam-cane

      Scott McLeod, ignoring the effectiveness rush defence since 2017

      EDIT: crazy since the Canes had won the SR the year before on awesome rush defence. No tries conceeded in the finals, that will never be equalled

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      taniwharugby
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      #1763

      @Machpants our d is a huge issue, yet for all the talk of assistants under pressure, McLeods name never came up.

      I'm not sure we have the discipline right now to run an effective rush defence, that said, there is something very wrong with whatever structure we are trying to run at moment too, passive and ineffective.

      Something must change, an aggressive defence will create attack opportunities.

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      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

        @Machpants our d is a huge issue, yet for all the talk of assistants under pressure, McLeods name never came up.

        I'm not sure we have the discipline right now to run an effective rush defence, that said, there is something very wrong with whatever structure we are trying to run at moment too, passive and ineffective.

        Something must change, an aggressive defence will create attack opportunities.

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        #1764

        @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

        @Machpants our d is a huge issue, yet for all the talk of assistants under pressure, McLeods name never came up.

        I'm not sure we have the discipline right now to run an effective rush defence, that said, there is something very wrong with whatever structure we are trying to run at moment too, passive and ineffective.

        Something must change, an aggressive defence will create attack opportunities.

        Our game plan really requires more running. Running into the ball on attack and into the opposition's faces in defence, both attack and defence are too static

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        • Dan54D Dan54

          @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

          i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

          You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
          Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

          I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

          God I didn't know we had so many sensitive souls on here, never once said it was better or worse just different. Reporters travelled with and talked to players a lot more. They could well of been filling us up with crap to, just there was more to the crap they told us maybe.

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          No Quarter
          wrote on last edited by
          #1765

          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

          i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

          You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
          Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

          I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

          God I didn't know we had so many sensitive souls on here, never once said it was better or worse just different. Reporters travelled with and talked to players a lot more. They could well of been filling us up with crap to, just there was more to the crap they told us maybe.

          Just a joke mate, no need to get all sensitive ๐Ÿ˜‰

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          • No QuarterN No Quarter

            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

            i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

            You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
            Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

            I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

            God I didn't know we had so many sensitive souls on here, never once said it was better or worse just different. Reporters travelled with and talked to players a lot more. They could well of been filling us up with crap to, just there was more to the crap they told us maybe.

            Just a joke mate, no need to get all sensitive ๐Ÿ˜‰

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            Dan54
            wrote on last edited by
            #1766

            @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

            i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

            You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
            Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

            I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

            God I didn't know we had so many sensitive souls on here, never once said it was better or worse just different. Reporters travelled with and talked to players a lot more. They could well of been filling us up with crap to, just there was more to the crap they told us maybe.

            Just a joke mate, no need to get all sensitive ๐Ÿ˜‰

            Well lucky you said that, or I would have to point out I a Great Grandpa anyway!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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            • No QuarterN No Quarter

              @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate

              i absolutely adore how many errors and typos are in this one sentence aimed at saying how stupid other people are. It's delicious

              You really need to stop being so sensitive, I was in no way saying anyone is stupid, merely pointing out the difference in so called journalism. The writers like Terry McLean etc wrote about tours while actually on the tours with ABs or whoever, where as now with internet anyone can post online and seemingly get their opinions etc of whatever is latest internet scource, they don't seem to actually travel with or talk to teams, or indeed even watch games apart from on tv in many cases.. Not a dig at anyone , merely pointing out differences of how info gets passed on.
              Sorry I can't be buggered going through to make sure everything is up to your high standards,.

              I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

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              Victor Meldrew
              wrote on last edited by Victor Meldrew
              #1767

              @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

              No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

              Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

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              • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

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                Catogrande
                wrote on last edited by
                #1768

                @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

                But still managed to beat most sides on a regular basis. My heart bleeds for you poor kiwis back in the day

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                • CatograndeC Catogrande

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                  No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                  Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

                  But still managed to beat most sides on a regular basis. My heart bleeds for you poor kiwis back in the day

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                  Victor Meldrew
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1769

                  @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                  I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                  No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                  Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

                  But still managed to beat most sides on a regular basis. My heart bleeds for you poor kiwis back in the day

                  We used to lose to Irish club sides back then. Heck, we even lost to England at home. Don't blame us Kiwi's for having high standards...

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                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                    @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                    No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                    Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

                    But still managed to beat most sides on a regular basis. My heart bleeds for you poor kiwis back in the day

                    We used to lose to Irish club sides back then. Heck, we even lost to England at home. Don't blame us Kiwi's for having high standards...

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                    Catogrande
                    wrote on last edited by Catogrande
                    #1770

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                    No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                    Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

                    But still managed to beat most sides on a regular basis. My heart bleeds for you poor kiwis back in the day

                    We used to lose to Irish club sides back then. Once? Heck, we even lost to England at home. So did SA Don't blame us Kiwi's for having high standards... To be honest it's more the whining. And Deans DID score! :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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                    • CatograndeC Catogrande

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      @No-Quarter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      I know Grandpa, everything was better in the good old days, now let's get you back to bed

                      No, AB sides's were often pretty shit back then.

                      Motorcycles of that era, on the other hand, were way more exciting to ride than today's computer-assisted machines...

                      But still managed to beat most sides on a regular basis. My heart bleeds for you poor kiwis back in the day

                      We used to lose to Irish club sides back then. Once? Heck, we even lost to England at home. So did SA Don't blame us Kiwi's for having high standards... To be honest it's more the whining. And Deans DID score! :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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                      #1771

                      @Catogrande But he did.

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                      • O Old Samurai Jack

                        @Catogrande But he did.

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                        Catogrande
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                        #1772

                        @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @Catogrande But he did.

                        50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

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                        • CatograndeC Catogrande

                          @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Catogrande But he did.

                          50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

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                          ACT Crusader
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1773

                          @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @Catogrande But he did.

                          50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                          Iโ€™m guessing the worst possible angle thenโ€ฆ.

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                          • CatograndeC Catogrande

                            @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            @Catogrande But he did.

                            50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

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                            nostrildamus
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1774

                            @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                            @Catogrande But he did.

                            50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                            They probably blacked out key pixels frame by frame back in the day..

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                            • Dan54D Dan54

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐ŸŽฃ

                              We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                              But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                              Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

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                              nostrildamus
                              wrote on last edited by nostrildamus
                              #1775

                              @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐ŸŽฃ

                              We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                              But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                              Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

                              What is an orus? A walrus with a thick moustache and a speech impediment?

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                              • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                @Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                so how did you guys discuss that back then to get that consensus, send one another letters? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐ŸŽฃ

                                We used to wait for Terry McLean's new book to come out.

                                But seriously, in many ways I think there was better analysis in the media at that time than now. Much less, but better quality overall.

                                Yep and books and articles were written in a manner that didn't appear to be only to get reaction. Let's face it a pretty good percentage of posters on rugby orus wouldn't read books as there is often more then 2 paragraphs involved and that would stretch some's ability to concetrate, and most were written by people who actually attended games and spoke to playerscoaches/supporters etc.

                                What is an orus? A walrus with a thick moustache and a speech impediment?

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                                Bones
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                                #1776

                                @nostrildamus I only know of Oris, which was my brother's friend Clint's nickname.

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                                • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                  @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  @Catogrande But he did.

                                  50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

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                                  stodders
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1777

                                  @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  @Catogrande But he did.

                                  50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                  I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                  • S stodders

                                    @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Catogrande But he did.

                                    50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                    I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                    Catogrande
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                                    #1778

                                    @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @Catogrande But he did.

                                    50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                    I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                    It was aversion therapy to cure my racism.

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                                    • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                      @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Catogrande But he did.

                                      50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                      I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                      It was aversion therapy to cure my racism.

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                                      stodders
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1779

                                      @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                      @Catogrande But he did.

                                      50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                      I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                      It was aversion therapy to cure my racism.

                                      There is no cure. It is built into your DNA ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                      • CatograndeC Catogrande

                                        @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Catogrande But he did.

                                        50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                        I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                        It was aversion therapy to cure my racism.

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                                        nostrildamus
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                                        #1780

                                        @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Catogrande said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                        @Catogrande But he did.

                                        50/50 at best. Iโ€™ve seen the replay on Welsh TV.

                                        I call bollocks. No way an Englishman would subject himself to Welsh TV ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                        It was aversion therapy to cure my racism.

                                        Sounds like you need a new version ๐Ÿ™‚

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                                          @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          I'm not arguing I'm just offering advice.
                                          It is best to stick with Foster because to replace him now with another coach, who has a superior win record, is just inviting chaos. Unless we have criteria that would have kept out Foster, even though we didn't choose him and any criteria the NZR has for him is written in a foam contract with marker pens, locked away in Hansen's jockstrap.
                                          No, far better to leave him there, with his invisible contract KPI and let the NZR in their infinite wisdom steal more of Razor's team to give to the guy who has just been strategic by firing half of his coaching team.
                                          Best to rely on learnings. Like getting Shannon back and hey Jordie can still play on the wing with his new haircut. Ennor is proven class at midfield. And it's time to give Taylor a run at 6-everyone else has.
                                          So why not let Razor and the others gain international experience by taking all their learnings to overseas teams.
                                          Who, let us face it, already know the ABs gameplan inside and out so we might as well send all our future potential AB coaches overseas so they can share their secrets with our competitors.
                                          So that is my advice. Leave the coach with one of the worse recent coaching records in control (if you can call it control) because there is a chance (as big as a shrew's penis) that we will get a worse coach if we actually want a coach who will win a series or two against any team higher than Tonga C or Australia B (if they choose another 10 straight out of high school). And let the other NZ coaches bugger off overseas because they dare to lead winning teams.

                                          I assume from the first line you're replying to me.

                                          But nope, after reading your post thru 4-5 times, it still doesn't make any sense. Let's assume it was a poor attempt at irony or sarcasm from what you think my position is - so I'll try to help you as simply as I can as you seem to be struggling.

                                          • I think Foster should have been replaced after the Irish series. I don't think he's all to blame for the majority of problems (which appear deep), but he's not the man to fix them either

                                          • NZR needs to take a structured look at the problems in NZ rugby and work out short, medium and long term plans to resolve them. Communication would be good.

                                          • Just as players can look class at SR level but suck at Test level (see Bridge, George) there's a risk that Coaches who look a million dollars at SR level won't at Test level.

                                          • Changing the coach isn't a magic solution and also carries a high level of risk if it simply kicks the can of worms down the road very close to RWC 2023.

                                          • To mitigate the risks, NZR should set a limit of, say, 9 games to demonstrate improvement. If that ain't forthcoming then the performance of the new coaching team needs to be re-evaluated and changes made as appropriate.

                                          • There are no simple, magic solutions which are going to fix things quickly - it's probably going to take some time.

                                          Hope that's clear.

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                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          @nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          I'm not arguing I'm just offering advice.
                                          It is best to stick with Foster because to replace him now with another coach, who has a superior win record, is just inviting chaos. Unless we have criteria that would have kept out Foster, even though we didn't choose him and any criteria the NZR has for him is written in a foam contract with marker pens, locked away in Hansen's jockstrap.
                                          No, far better to leave him there, with his invisible contract KPI and let the NZR in their infinite wisdom steal more of Razor's team to give to the guy who has just been strategic by firing half of his coaching team.
                                          Best to rely on learnings. Like getting Shannon back and hey Jordie can still play on the wing with his new haircut. Ennor is proven class at midfield. And it's time to give Taylor a run at 6-everyone else has.
                                          So why not let Razor and the others gain international experience by taking all their learnings to overseas teams.
                                          Who, let us face it, already know the ABs gameplan inside and out so we might as well send all our future potential AB coaches overseas so they can share their secrets with our competitors.
                                          So that is my advice. Leave the coach with one of the worse recent coaching records in control (if you can call it control) because there is a chance (as big as a shrew's penis) that we will get a worse coach if we actually want a coach who will win a series or two against any team higher than Tonga C or Australia B (if they choose another 10 straight out of high school). And let the other NZ coaches bugger off overseas because they dare to lead winning teams.

                                          I assume from the first line you're replying to me.

                                          But nope, after reading your post thru 4-5 times, it still doesn't make any sense. Let's assume it was a poor attempt at irony or sarcasm from what you think my position is - so I'll try to help you as simply as I can as you seem to be struggling.

                                          • I think Foster should have been replaced after the Irish series. I don't think he's all to blame for the majority of problems (which appear deep), but he's not the man to fix them either

                                          • NZR needs to take a structured look at the problems in NZ rugby and work out short, medium and long term plans to resolve them. Communication would be good.

                                          • Just as players can look class at SR level but suck at Test level (see Bridge, George) there's a risk that Coaches who look a million dollars at SR level won't at Test level.

                                          • Changing the coach isn't a magic solution and also carries a high level of risk if it simply kicks the can of worms down the road very close to RWC 2023.

                                          • To mitigate the risks, NZR should set a limit of, say, 9 games to demonstrate improvement. If that ain't forthcoming then the performance of the new coaching team needs to be re-evaluated and changes made as appropriate.

                                          • There are no simple, magic solutions which are going to fix things quickly - it's probably going to take some time.

                                          Hope that's clear.

                                          Nope, I think you are struggling. Nobody else said another coach was a magic solution. You are arguing with pixel dust.

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