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  • canefanC canefan

    @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Donsteppa and then the uncharacteristic errors, sure the pressure does that too, but if you aren't clear on what you and the guys either side of you are meant to be doing, where you are going, that split second of indecision can be huge.

    There has been zero improvement in 5 years, sure that's not all on Foster, but if he was a good coach he'd have recognised some of the issues earlier and put plans in motion to rectify.

    From what I hear about Razor, it's his meticulous preparation and planning that sets him apart, not necessarily HIS coaching abilities, but the fact he gets everyone on the same page, unlike now as I'm not sure all our guys are even reading the same book...

    I can understand why Razor might want to stay out of it right now. It appears we have so much to do to clean out the rot from 2019. But I wish he'd take up the challenge and I'd accept the consequences and not blame him if we don't have a miraculous turnaround

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    @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Donsteppa and then the uncharacteristic errors, sure the pressure does that too, but if you aren't clear on what you and the guys either side of you are meant to be doing, where you are going, that split second of indecision can be huge.

    There has been zero improvement in 5 years, sure that's not all on Foster, but if he was a good coach he'd have recognised some of the issues earlier and put plans in motion to rectify.

    From what I hear about Razor, it's his meticulous preparation and planning that sets him apart, not necessarily HIS coaching abilities, but the fact he gets everyone on the same page, unlike now as I'm not sure all our guys are even reading the same book...

    I can understand why Razor might want to stay out of it right now. It appears we have so much to do to clean out the rot from 2019. But I wish he'd take up the challenge and I'd accept the consequences and not blame him if we don't have a miraculous turnaround

    Will it be any better next year after the RWC?

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      @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @Donsteppa and then the uncharacteristic errors, sure the pressure does that too, but if you aren't clear on what you and the guys either side of you are meant to be doing, where you are going, that split second of indecision can be huge.

      There has been zero improvement in 5 years, sure that's not all on Foster, but if he was a good coach he'd have recognised some of the issues earlier and put plans in motion to rectify.

      From what I hear about Razor, it's his meticulous preparation and planning that sets him apart, not necessarily HIS coaching abilities, but the fact he gets everyone on the same page, unlike now as I'm not sure all our guys are even reading the same book...

      I can understand why Razor might want to stay out of it right now. It appears we have so much to do to clean out the rot from 2019. But I wish he'd take up the challenge and I'd accept the consequences and not blame him if we don't have a miraculous turnaround

      Will it be any better next year after the RWC?

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      @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

      @Donsteppa and then the uncharacteristic errors, sure the pressure does that too, but if you aren't clear on what you and the guys either side of you are meant to be doing, where you are going, that split second of indecision can be huge.

      There has been zero improvement in 5 years, sure that's not all on Foster, but if he was a good coach he'd have recognised some of the issues earlier and put plans in motion to rectify.

      From what I hear about Razor, it's his meticulous preparation and planning that sets him apart, not necessarily HIS coaching abilities, but the fact he gets everyone on the same page, unlike now as I'm not sure all our guys are even reading the same book...

      I can understand why Razor might want to stay out of it right now. It appears we have so much to do to clean out the rot from 2019. But I wish he'd take up the challenge and I'd accept the consequences and not blame him if we don't have a miraculous turnaround

      Will it be any better next year after the RWC?

      I guess he could start from scratch and pick his team after SR with time to set up his systems

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      • B Billsy111

        @Bones Your right when you say players are accountable too. But let's look at the facts. Nothing changed tactically between the 2nd and 3rd Irish Tests. Now we go to South Africa and can't handle there aerial bombardment, a tactic they've used on us before. Same Cane said it was a game of margains. He's right bloody big ones. They were men, we were boys. We once again got our arse handed to us on a plate. Foster said he saw improvement, oh good, then maybe in sometime this year we'll win another test. NO. Sorry Foster your time is up and you just simply have to go. No ifs buts or maybes. You are not up to this, now do the decent thing.

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        @Billsy111 sorry, I was taking the piss. The buck stops at the coaching, all aspects.

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        • canefanC canefan

          @stodders said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

          @Donsteppa and then the uncharacteristic errors, sure the pressure does that too, but if you aren't clear on what you and the guys either side of you are meant to be doing, where you are going, that split second of indecision can be huge.

          There has been zero improvement in 5 years, sure that's not all on Foster, but if he was a good coach he'd have recognised some of the issues earlier and put plans in motion to rectify.

          From what I hear about Razor, it's his meticulous preparation and planning that sets him apart, not necessarily HIS coaching abilities, but the fact he gets everyone on the same page, unlike now as I'm not sure all our guys are even reading the same book...

          I can understand why Razor might want to stay out of it right now. It appears we have so much to do to clean out the rot from 2019. But I wish he'd take up the challenge and I'd accept the consequences and not blame him if we don't have a miraculous turnaround

          Will it be any better next year after the RWC?

          I guess he could start from scratch and pick his team after SR with time to set up his systems

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          @canefan well I think EOYT would be a better opportunity, maybe NZR give him control of picking the other nz 15 too, so he can pick his AB and 2nd 15, plus it will allow him to get any npc players that catch his eye

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            @Billsy111 sorry, I was taking the piss. The buck stops at the coaching, all aspects.

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            @Bones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

            @Billsy111 sorry, I was taking the piss. The buck stops at the coaching, all aspects.

            I was too sleep deprived to figure it out. But it did allow a few more swats at Ferret Foster for the sake of BoP Mafia nostalgia...

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @canefan well I think EOYT would be a better opportunity, maybe NZR give him control of picking the other nz 15 too, so he can pick his AB and 2nd 15, plus it will allow him to get any npc players that catch his eye

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              @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

              @canefan well I think EOYT would be a better opportunity, maybe NZR give him control of picking the other nz 15 too, so he can pick his AB and 2nd 15, plus it will allow him to get any npc players that catch his eye

              I'm all for it. NZRFU will have to fire Fozz. Then the board can practice what Robinson preaches and resign

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              • B Billsy111

                @Bones Your right when you say players are accountable too. But let's look at the facts. Nothing changed tactically between the 2nd and 3rd Irish Tests. Now we go to South Africa and can't handle there aerial bombardment, a tactic they've used on us before. Same Cane said it was a game of margains. He's right bloody big ones. They were men, we were boys. We once again got our arse handed to us on a plate. Foster said he saw improvement, oh good, then maybe in sometime this year we'll win another test. NO. Sorry Foster your time is up and you just simply have to go. No ifs buts or maybes. You are not up to this, now do the decent thing.

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                @Billsy111 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                @Bones Your right when you say players are accountable too. But let's look at the facts. Nothing changed tactically between the 2nd and 3rd Irish Tests. Now we go to South Africa and can't handle there aerial bombardment, a tactic they've used on us before. Same Cane said it was a game of margains. He's right bloody big ones. They were men, we were boys. We once again got our arse handed to us on a plate. Foster said he saw improvement, oh good, then maybe in sometime this year we'll win another test. NO. Sorry Foster your time is up and you just simply have to go. No ifs buts or maybes. You are not up to this, now do the decent thing.

                Nothing has really changed since 2015

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                  Foster has turned us into the Chiefs (pre-Rennie version) of world rugby.

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                  • canefanC canefan

                    Foster has turned us into the Chiefs (pre-Rennie version) of world rugby.

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                    @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                    Foster has turned us into the Chiefs (pre-Rennie version) of world rugby.

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                    Don't say the BOP mafia didn't warn you πŸ˜‰

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                    • canefanC canefan

                      @taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                      @canefan well I think EOYT would be a better opportunity, maybe NZR give him control of picking the other nz 15 too, so he can pick his AB and 2nd 15, plus it will allow him to get any npc players that catch his eye

                      I'm all for it. NZRFU will have to fire Fozz. Then the board can practice what Robinson preaches and resign

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                      @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                      We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

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                      • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                        @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                        We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

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                        @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                        @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                        We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                        Absolutely. Start with the guys that put Fozzie there and work down

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                        • canefanC canefan

                          @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                          @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                          We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                          Absolutely. Start with the guys that put Fozzie there and work down

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                          @canefan Not so much that Have to be performance assessed like a business.
                          We have been poor for so long

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                            We were up against a crowd who were so joyous and having fun. ABs were nervous, consigned to the fact they were going to be criticised. I don't care if they lose again this year. I want them to free up and have some fun

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                            • canefanC canefan

                              @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                              We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                              Absolutely. Start with the guys that put Fozzie there and work down

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                              @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                              @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                              We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                              Absolutely. Start with the guys that put Fozzie there and work down

                              Here they are for you
                              https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/about-nzr/governance/our-board/#:~:text=Our Board is charged with setting strategy%2C direction,be made by a vote of the Board.

                              Not sure if the problem is solely with that lot but maybe in the paid employees headed by Mr. Robinson and including the panel that appointed the Head Coach

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                              • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                                @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                                We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

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                                @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                                We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                                Would that have mattered? They did it to us in 04. Up until last night that 2004 match was my lowest point as far as AB performances go against the Boks.

                                Foster and co eclipsing all sorts of low moments πŸ˜€

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                                  @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                  @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                                  We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                                  Would that have mattered? They did it to us in 04. Up until last night that 2004 match was my lowest point as far as AB performances go against the Boks.

                                  Foster and co eclipsing all sorts of low moments πŸ˜€

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                                  @ACT-Crusader things are so bad I feel like an Aussie supporter

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                                  • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                                    @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                                    We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

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                                    @BerniesCorner said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                    @canefan Rugby in NZ is a mess Have to start with NZR.
                                    We were lucky SA didn't reach 40 points

                                    This. We were lucky they stuffed up several times with opportunities beckoning.

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                                      At least there is no danger of peaking between World Cups this time around.

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                                      • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                                        At least there is no danger of peaking between World Cups this time around.

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                                        @Donsteppa maybe this is our peak 😞

                                        RWC QF exit looks our ceiling at the moment. 😞

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                                        • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                                          At least there is no danger of peaking between World Cups this time around.

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                                          @Donsteppa said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

                                          At least there is no danger of peaking between World Cups this time around.

                                          The World Cup favourites monkey is well and truly off our backs.

                                          Phew.

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