Foster, Robertson etc

stodders

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Will Foster go?:

@Frank That sounds too good to be true.

Agreed. Why would Razor agree to being someone else's assistant when that wasn't acceptable previously?

Because he's been given assurance that he'll be taking full control after RWC 2023? Agreed, it is v doubtful he'll be an assistant. Unless Schmidt is installed as hands-on DoR and Razor is head coach.

nostrildamus

@Crucial said in Will Foster go?:

I think he will walk. Won’t happen today, it needs to be planned with assistants as he’s basically doing them out of a job as well.
Also requires his employer to get replacements organized.
If this happens it has to be Razor unless it is clear that Schmidt only wants the job short term. Otherwise Razor goes and another country gets to lift their game enough to beat us. Our exports are killing us.

Seems that Schmidt won't travel? Or have you a better sauce?
Edit: oh snap.
I haven't seen any evidence that Razor wants the job right now?

ACT Crusader

@Frank said in Will Foster go?:

I am leaning toward the sauce being correct at this stage.
I think Foster is gone even if somehow they win at Ellis Park.
Joe Schmidt as new coach with Razor, MacDonald and Ryan as assistants.

You're not a journo, so reveal your sauce and we will judge if it's worth leaning towards

stodders

@ACT-Crusader said in Will Foster go?:

@Frank said in Will Foster go?:

I am leaning toward the sauce being correct at this stage.
I think Foster is gone even if somehow they win at Ellis Park.
Joe Schmidt as new coach with Razor, MacDonald and Ryan as assistants.

You're not a journo, so reveal your sauce and we will judge if it's worth leaning towards

A good journo never reveals their sauces!!

Billy Tell

I don’t see him going unless pushed. He is still in the delusion of “we are making progress, just needs a few minor tweaks”. No one is buying it any more.

stodders

@Billy-Tell said in Will Foster go?:

I don’t see him going unless pushed. He is still in the delusion of “we are making progress, just needs a few minor tweaks”. No one is buying it any more.

But they did make progress. Only thing is, their starting point was so low after the Irish series.

So technically, he's right

Machpants

@stodders said in Will Foster go?:

@Billy-Tell said in Will Foster go?:

I don’t see him going unless pushed. He is still in the delusion of “we are making progress, just needs a few minor tweaks”. No one is buying it any more.

But they did make progress. Only thing is, their starting point was so low after the Irish series.

So technically, he's right

No they didn't, they actually had some (2) good quarters versus Irish. Foster's extra shit attack cancels out the improvement Ryan has made in mauls, lineout. So, overall, No improvement

stodders

@Machpants said in Will Foster go?:

@stodders said in Will Foster go?:

@Billy-Tell said in Will Foster go?:

I don’t see him going unless pushed. He is still in the delusion of “we are making progress, just needs a few minor tweaks”. No one is buying it any more.

But they did make progress. Only thing is, their starting point was so low after the Irish series.

So technically, he's right

No they didn't, they actually had some (2) good quarters versus Irish. Foster's extra shit attack cancels out the improvement Ryan has made in mauls, lineout. So, overall, No improvement

I'd say the defence was better against the Boks. Then again, the Bok attack seems to have 3 plays - maul, run direct repeatedly until the defence runs out of numbers and high kicks. The Bok defence could be construed as an attacking option as it forces mistakes and broken field opportunities.

And before the Bok posters start raging, I'm not having a pop at the Boks. They play their way and are happy to do so. Rugby is a contrast in styles and the Boks have their specific style. However, the Bok approach leaves them susceptible to teams that take a risk and the bounce of the ball favours them on the day, e.g. England in November.

Which is why it will be fascinating to see how the complicated/varied Irish attack goes against this Bok defence in November.,And how the French go against the Boks in November too.

Frank

@ACT-Crusader
The sauce is in another Foster thread (it is a poster on here)

Chris

@Frank said in Will Foster go?:

@ACT-Crusader
The sauce is in another Foster thread (it is a poster on here)

Normally a good sauce too.
Close to the action that posters sauce.

Nepia

Putting Schmidt in is just a waste of time. If Foster goes just give it to Razor.

akan004

Hopefully not true although something similar was mentioned on stuff today.

https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1556544005730537472?t=xUPVY6sI7lbhBClXEDdXMA&s=19

Nepia

@Frank said in Will Foster go?:

@ACT-Crusader
The sauce is in another Foster thread (it is a poster on here)

Can you tell us which one - I don't have all night to search through them all.

Paekakboyz

@akan004 that kind of reads like more changes to the assistants than Fozzie getting the pip. But if there is a change in head coach and it isn't Razor, then I expect riots. Even if things have changed and Schmidt has decided he will/can travel if NZ Rugby keep cockblocking Robertson there will be many, many, unhappy fans.

Shit. That means it's gonna happen aye?

Fuck.

Frank

@Nepia
11 days ago chchfanatic in the Foster Must Go thread. Scroll up!!

Paekakboyz

I should qualify that post (lol a ban offence around here!) that I really like and rate Schmidt. But I want Razor in charge with Schmidt working with him on selection and driving development and scouting. If any changes come with a clear transition plan to Razor post 2023 and he's cool with that then I could handle that jandal. Just!

akan004

@Paekakboyz Who knows. Hopefully it's a bit like that unfounded rumour about Cane losing his captaincy.

The other possibility is that he turned them down and I can see why Razor might not want the top job now, he's got a year to turn this rubble around and we probably don't have the cattle to win the RWC regardless of the coach, so it's a risky job to take atm.

ACT Crusader

@Chris said in Will Foster go?:

@Frank said in Will Foster go?:

@ACT-Crusader
The sauce is in another Foster thread (it is a poster on here)

Normally a good sauce too.
Close to the action that posters sauce.

ah ok, it's that one. I thought there was new sauce

Damo

Why was the Will Foster go thread merged with the Fozzie out thread?

They're 2 different questions.

stodders

@Paekakboyz said in Will Foster go?:

I should qualify that post (lol a ban offence around here!) that I really like and rate Schmidt. But I want Razor in charge with Schmidt working with him on selection and driving development and scouting. If any changes come with a clear transition plan to Razor post 2023 and he's cool with that then I could handle that jandal. Just!

Schmidt as NZ DoR makes sense. It is NZ based and it allows him to use his attention to detail to put in place a long term strategy to identify talent and develop players and coaches fit for the test arena. It is a long term job, but it fits in with his strengths and removes any need for him to travel.

The Silver Fern

Foster, Robertson etc