Springboks v All Blacks 2
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I've never felt more pessimistic before a test match in my life.
Any physical edge we had in the past seems gone. Same for our conditioning, if anything we seem behind a few teams now.
The only thing left is skills and they seem to have deserted us as well. We don't currently do anything better then anyone else in the world.
Without the boks having a shocker. I can't see where we can find an edge.
Please someone give me some hope.
@mooshld yeah it’s rare territory, I can’t recall going into a test with this level of pessimism as well , and I’m just about to turn 60 .
Even we went through that period of not holding the bledisloe , I still went into each game believing.
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it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
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it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
kick a lot
Get Jordie to do the line kicks, for a start!
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it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
@Duluth it's like all the good stuff they were selected on, has been removed.
As a group, these guys are all so far out of form it isnt funny, no clear heads impacting decisions, execution of basics and just flow on to all aspects of play.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
@Duluth said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
yes, our depth is really weird
we are this mix of really flat, and then guys out the back like 7s. But it is really disjointed, and if we go to that guy out the back, we're not really sure what to do next, someone hesitates, and everything breaks down (8m behind the gain line).
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
@Duluth said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
For sure. A super flat backline vs a barely onside rush defence? What do they think will happen!!!
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@Duluth said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
I'd like to see us play a little bit deeper like the SR sides do. The players are used to it, they got selected playing that style
For sure. A super flat backline vs a barely onside rush defence? What do they think will happen!!!
@canefan thing is, a disciplined rush defence can get away with being slightly off side with the whole line moving together, all standing a foot off-side when they are all in sync, the Irish line is impressive to watch in that regard.
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@canefan thing is, a disciplined rush defence can get away with being slightly off side with the whole line moving together, all standing a foot off-side when they are all in sync, the Irish line is impressive to watch in that regard.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan thing is, a disciplined rush defence can get away with being slightly off side with the whole line moving together, all standing a foot off-side when they are all in sync, the Irish line is impressive to watch in that regard.
Yeah. So playing with a flat O line is a very low percentage strategy
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It's no coincidence that our only two meaningful breaks last weekend were from in passes and straight running angles back against the grain. Not to say it will always work, but shovelling the ball out trying to outflank the defence didn't work in 2019 Yokohama, definitely won't work in 2022
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it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
I just don't understand How Foster doesn't see the basics are not being done to any sort of decent standard.No game plan to counter what is coming at us by the opposition.Just a go out and play and hope strategy.
Anyone who has played rugby at any level can see what is wrong here but the HC can't.
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue ,the Man played rugby at a decent level and has coached for long enough to work it out. -
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
I just don't understand How Foster doesn't see the basics are not being done to any sort of decent standard.No game plan to counter what is coming at us by the opposition.Just a go out and play and hope strategy.
Anyone who has played rugby at any level can see what is wrong here but the HC can't.
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue ,the Man played rugby at a decent level and has coached for long enough to work it out.@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
I just don't understand How Foster doesn't see the basics are not being done to any sort of decent standard.No game plan to counter what is coming at us by the opposition.Just a go out and play and hope strategy.
Anyone who has played rugby at any level can see what is wrong here but the HC can't.
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue ,the Man played rugby at a decent level and has coached for long enough to work it out.He's still thumbing the pages of Shag's old playbook, not realising that the game has changed.
FFS a traditional gameplan, forwards rumble up, 10 kicks for touch deep into opposition half, don't spin it wide until you've gone up the guts, I'm hanging out to see that so bad right now
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@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
I just don't understand How Foster doesn't see the basics are not being done to any sort of decent standard.No game plan to counter what is coming at us by the opposition.Just a go out and play and hope strategy.
Anyone who has played rugby at any level can see what is wrong here but the HC can't.
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue ,the Man played rugby at a decent level and has coached for long enough to work it out.He's still thumbing the pages of Shag's old playbook, not realising that the game has changed.
FFS a traditional gameplan, forwards rumble up, 10 kicks for touch deep into opposition half, don't spin it wide until you've gone up the guts, I'm hanging out to see that so bad right now
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
I just don't understand How Foster doesn't see the basics are not being done to any sort of decent standard.No game plan to counter what is coming at us by the opposition.Just a go out and play and hope strategy.
Anyone who has played rugby at any level can see what is wrong here but the HC can't.
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue ,the Man played rugby at a decent level and has coached for long enough to work it out.He's still thumbing the pages of Shag's old playbook, not realising that the game has changed.
FFS a traditional gameplan, forwards rubble up, 10 kicks for touch deep into opposition half, don't spin it wide until you've gone up the guts, I'm hanging out to see that so bad right now
Yeah me too fucking basics get it done to a decent standard then build your game from there.
Not this pray something will happen BS. -
About 5:50 was key part. But the whole interview is agood listen
@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
About 5:50 was key part. But the whole interview is agood listen
Eight minutes and three very good players succinctly pointing out the obvious.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
it feels like we are at that point where, if it was lower levels, you just go back to basics. Shit hasn't been going right, your patterns are gone, everything is muddled, and the finger pointing starts.
A good coach chucks the play book out for a week and says "fuck it boys, this week it's basics". Smash on to the ball. Play narrower. kick a lot. Focus on the set piece.
Take all the cloud and doubt out of the players heads, and just play code.We won't of course, we'll try to do the same shit "but better" but if ever i saw a squad that needed to clear their heads it is this one.
It feels like there's a real lack of detail in everything the ABs are doing (with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
For example - the kick chase issue -we know we need to diffuse the high ball but there's no detail around making that happen - as Mils says in the video above - it starts from pressuring the kicker, then having support players in front of and behind the catcher - in other words there's a lot of detail around it and it's a team effort.
I just don't understand How Foster doesn't see the basics are not being done to any sort of decent standard.No game plan to counter what is coming at us by the opposition.Just a go out and play and hope strategy.
Anyone who has played rugby at any level can see what is wrong here but the HC can't.
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue ,the Man played rugby at a decent level and has coached for long enough to work it out.@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue
Doesn't have to be an either/or!
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@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue
Doesn't have to be an either/or!
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chris said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Is he stubborn,Delluded or really hasn't a clue
Doesn't have to be an either/or!
You are right all of the above probably.
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@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
About 5:50 was key part. But the whole interview is agood listen
Eight minutes and three very good players succinctly pointing out the obvious.
@antipodean said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
About 5:50 was key part. But the whole interview is agood listen
Eight minutes and three very good players succinctly pointing out the obvious.
Schaalk telling it like it was, our problems laid bare
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@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
I couldn't agree more, watching the game live here in Sydney, alone in the wee hours of the morning, when I saw this I just couldn't believe it and turned to myself and commented...
Subbing off R. Ioane and leaving on Havili just made ZERO sense and that is why Foster, this useless sack of shit, yoghurt arsed, piston wristed gibbon should never have been the AB head coach and why he deserves to never coach a team again!
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I know it wont happen, but this is the starting 15 I'd like to see:
Bower, ST, Newell
Whitelock, Vaai
SB, Sotutu, Ardie
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Ioane
Clarke, Jordan, Reece
