Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
I couldn't agree more, watching the game live here in Sydney, alone in the wee hours of the morning, when I saw this I just couldn't believe it and turned to myself and commented...
Subbing off R. Ioane and leaving on Havili just made ZERO sense and that is why Foster, this useless sack of shit, yoghurt arsed, piston wristed gibbon should never have been the AB head coach and why he deserves to never coach a team again!
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I know it wont happen, but this is the starting 15 I'd like to see:
Bower, ST, Newell
Whitelock, Vaai
SB, Sotutu, Ardie
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Ioane
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Had the pleasure to watch your Paul Coll win two Squash gold medals at the Commonwealth Games
His success was based on
supreme fitness and conditioning
the patience and ability to play a very simple and structured game, slowly but surely moving his opponent around the court
And then when the opportunity presented itself, hit a winnerOften over matches lasting 90 mins
These are things that can be replicated by the ABs
Maybe get him and his coach in
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
I couldn't agree more, watching the game live here in Sydney, alone in the wee hours of the morning, when I saw this I just couldn't believe it and turned to myself and commented...
Subbing off R. Ioane and leaving on Havili just made ZERO sense and that is why Foster, this useless sack of shit, yoghurt arsed, piston wristed gibbon should never have been the AB head coach and why he deserves to never coach a team again!
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Had the pleasure to watch your Paul Coll win two Squash gold medals at the Commonwealth Games
His success was based on
supreme fitness and conditioning
the patience and ability to play a very simple and structured game, slowly but surely moving his opponent around the court
And then when the opportunity presented itself, hit a winnerOften over matches lasting 90 mins
These are things that can be replicated by the ABs
Maybe get him and his coach in
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Had the pleasure to watch your Paul Coll win two Squash gold medals at the Commonwealth Games
His success was based on
supreme fitness and conditioning
the patience and ability to play a very simple and structured game, slowly but surely moving his opponent around the court
And then when the opportunity presented itself, hit a winnerOften over matches lasting 90 mins
These are things that can be replicated by the ABs
Maybe get him and his coach in
I like it, hit the opposition in the balls, so hard they can't reach them.
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Had the pleasure to watch your Paul Coll win two Squash gold medals at the Commonwealth Games
His success was based on
supreme fitness and conditioning
the patience and ability to play a very simple and structured game, slowly but surely moving his opponent around the court
And then when the opportunity presented itself, hit a winnerOften over matches lasting 90 mins
These are things that can be replicated by the ABs
Maybe get him and his coach in
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Did I just hear correctly when Richie Mo'unga just said on the TV1 Sports news "If you are not a member of the team or squad I do not care what you think" when commenting on the helpful suggestions being made to try and right the rings of the Titanic like sinking that is the All Blacks?
Excuse me Richie, all financial members of affiliated rugby clubs to the NZRFU own the All Blacks so as a financial member of three of those clubs and a Life Member of another one you had better be careful what you say. -
Did I just hear correctly when Richie Mo'unga just said on the TV1 Sports news "If you are not a member of the team or squad I do not care what you think" when commenting on the helpful suggestions being made to try and right the rings of the Titanic like sinking that is the All Blacks?
Excuse me Richie, all financial members of affiliated rugby clubs to the NZRFU own the All Blacks so as a financial member of three of those clubs and a Life Member of another one you had better be careful what you say.@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Did I just hear correctly when Richie Mo'unga just said on the TV1 Sports news "If you are not a member of the team or squad I do not care what you think" when commenting on the helpful suggestions being made to try and right the rings of the Titanic like sinking that is the All Blacks?
Excuse me Richie, all financial members of affiliated rugby clubs to the NZRFU own the All Blacks so as a financial member of three of those clubs and a Life Member of another one you had better be careful what you say.Full quote below (on the frustration of the fans). I'm with RM on this - they have to focus on being their best on Saturday. The critique from us won't help the players.
"It’s very fair. The team they support that usually gets results is not getting results at the moment. It’s fair for the fans to care, because they do… but it’s also fair on us to not care what they think because we have a role to play and a job to do, and hearing that isn’t going to help us at this moment.” -
@Higgins said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Did I just hear correctly when Richie Mo'unga just said on the TV1 Sports news "If you are not a member of the team or squad I do not care what you think" when commenting on the helpful suggestions being made to try and right the rings of the Titanic like sinking that is the All Blacks?
Excuse me Richie, all financial members of affiliated rugby clubs to the NZRFU own the All Blacks so as a financial member of three of those clubs and a Life Member of another one you had better be careful what you say.Full quote below (on the frustration of the fans). I'm with RM on this - they have to focus on being their best on Saturday. The critique from us won't help the players.
"It’s very fair. The team they support that usually gets results is not getting results at the moment. It’s fair for the fans to care, because they do… but it’s also fair on us to not care what they think because we have a role to play and a job to do, and hearing that isn’t going to help us at this moment.”@nzzp interesting as Stuff has a slightly different version, is he repeating the same message to different media outlets?
“I’m chomping at the bit to have another crack, but I’m also at the point where the outside noise doesn't matter for me. It doesn't affect me. I’m at a stage now if you're not in our squad, I don't really care what you think, with all respect.
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@nzzp interesting as Stuff has a slightly different version, is he repeating the same message to different media outlets?
“I’m chomping at the bit to have another crack, but I’m also at the point where the outside noise doesn't matter for me. It doesn't affect me. I’m at a stage now if you're not in our squad, I don't really care what you think, with all respect.
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@taniwharugby huh. My quote came from the 1news website.
Anyone care to check the audio?
@nzzp looks like part of a longer interview:
“It’s very fair,” he responded. “A team they support that usually gets results is not getting results, and it’s fair the fans care. They care about our team and care about our results, but it’s also fair of us to not care about what they think because we have a job to do and hearing that isn't going to help us.”
“I’m chomping at the bit to have another crack, but I’m also at the point where the outside noise doesn't matter for me. It doesn't affect me. I’m at a stage now if you're not in our squad, I don't really care what you think, with all respect.
“I understand the fans and people out there can get frustrated with results. But we’re trying our best, and we know it’s not good enough for All Blacks standards. So preparations will be very deep to get the result this weekend.”
Asked if he felt the criticism was fair, Mo’unga nodded slowly.Later Mo’unga, who is clearly a conscientious fellow, reached out to clarify his comments about “not caring” what fans think. He meant to say they “weren’t bothered” by what people were saying.
Fair dues. It’s an important distinction.
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@canefan thing is, a disciplined rush defence can get away with being slightly off side with the whole line moving together, all standing a foot off-side when they are all in sync, the Irish line is impressive to watch in that regard.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan thing is, a disciplined rush defence can get away with being slightly off side with the whole line moving together, all standing a foot off-side when they are all in sync, the Irish line is impressive to watch in that regard.
Luke Pearce seems quite hot on offside.
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@MiketheSnow sound like the Springbokke. The bomb squad is our specialists.
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow sound like the Springbokke. The bomb squad is our specialists.
In terms of simple game plan, yes.
Bomb squad, no.
This is about doing the simple things well and not surrendering position or possession.
Keep hold of the ball for more than 3 phases
Commit opposition to the tackle and the breakdown
Quick recyclingSpace will ‘magically’ appear
And if it’s not on, kick the leather off the ball and ping the opposition back either by structured kick chase or by kicking it dead
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow sound like the Springbokke. The bomb squad is our specialists.
In terms of simple game plan, yes.
Bomb squad, no.
This is about doing the simple things well and not surrendering position or possession.
Keep hold of the ball for more than 3 phases
Commit opposition to the tackle and the breakdown
Quick recyclingSpace will ‘magically’ appear
And if it’s not on, kick the leather off the ball and ping the opposition back either by structured kick chase or by kicking it dead
@MiketheSnow I was more thinking on the principles of Springbok rugby since day back when. Doc Craven describe Springbok rugby "maak eers voor sag, Dan slaan met die agterlyn" Not sue to describe it in English " soften up opposition with the forwards then hit with the backline"
Despite the kicking gameplan by Rasnaber which I hate more then anyone else, the Springbok bomb squad has been working and developed well since before the WC 2019. We saw that again on Saturday.
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Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
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@nzzp looks like part of a longer interview:
“It’s very fair,” he responded. “A team they support that usually gets results is not getting results, and it’s fair the fans care. They care about our team and care about our results, but it’s also fair of us to not care about what they think because we have a job to do and hearing that isn't going to help us.”
“I’m chomping at the bit to have another crack, but I’m also at the point where the outside noise doesn't matter for me. It doesn't affect me. I’m at a stage now if you're not in our squad, I don't really care what you think, with all respect.
“I understand the fans and people out there can get frustrated with results. But we’re trying our best, and we know it’s not good enough for All Blacks standards. So preparations will be very deep to get the result this weekend.”
Asked if he felt the criticism was fair, Mo’unga nodded slowly.Later Mo’unga, who is clearly a conscientious fellow, reached out to clarify his comments about “not caring” what fans think. He meant to say they “weren’t bothered” by what people were saying.
Fair dues. It’s an important distinction.
@taniwharugby it never rains, it pours.
The whole rugby internet is piling in on the All Blacks and Foster come out with the "best performancevof the year " and now this.
Its probably to late to save Fosters job, but at this rate they might lose the fans completely
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Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Will Jordan is in doubt for the All Blacks second test against the Springboks at Ellis Park this weekend due to a stomach bug.
That would explain why he was off the pace on Saturday.
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@taniwharugby it never rains, it pours.
The whole rugby internet is piling in on the All Blacks and Foster come out with the "best performancevof the year " and now this.
Its probably to late to save Fosters job, but at this rate they might lose the fans completely
@SidBarret said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Its probably to late to save Fosters job, but at this rate they might lose the fans completely
only need to see the attitude from some on here, who would describe themselves as rugby tragics: I didnt watch the last test, bar a 10 min highlight package, and bailed at half time in the last Irish test...I am looking forward to attending an afternoon NPC match on Saturday though!
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@MiketheSnow I was more thinking on the principles of Springbok rugby since day back when. Doc Craven describe Springbok rugby "maak eers voor sag, Dan slaan met die agterlyn" Not sue to describe it in English " soften up opposition with the forwards then hit with the backline"
Despite the kicking gameplan by Rasnaber which I hate more then anyone else, the Springbok bomb squad has been working and developed well since before the WC 2019. We saw that again on Saturday.
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow I was more thinking on the principles of Springbok rugby since day back when. Doc Craven describe Springbok rugby "maak eers voor sag, Dan slaan met die agterlyn" Not sue to describe it in English " soften up opposition with the forwards then hit with the backline"
Despite the kicking gameplan by Rasnaber which I hate more then anyone else, the Springbok bomb squad has been working and developed well since before the WC 2019. We saw that again on Saturday.
Bok commentators on UK Sky kept wondering aloud why ABs weren’t seeking gain line before hitting 10.
Boks have a plan where they seldom seem to seek big breaks, but forwards run in twos, so that cleaner is always right behind.
So series of 3m gains rather than aiming for 5m through hole but running away from support.
KISS is working for them, and allows pressure to be applied very successfully.
