Springboks v All Blacks 2
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players in interviews this year have been saying a lot "we just need to cut down the errors" and while this is true, and a few are, or look, unforced
a lot of our errors come because the way we are playing with the ball is putting as much pressure on us as it is the opposition. Every catch is contested, or fraught with danger, because we are throwing a lot of really tight passes, or a guy under pressure has to pass to another guy in a split second. We're inviting errors, which brings its on level of pressure when they add up, and the whole thing snowballs.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
players in interviews this year have been saying a lot "we just need to cut down the errors" and while this is true, and a few are, or look, unforced
a lot of our errors come because the way we are playing with the ball is putting as much pressure on us as it is the opposition. Every catch is contested, or fraught with danger, because we are throwing a lot of really tight passes, or a guy under pressure has to pass to another guy in a split second. We're inviting errors, which brings its on level of pressure when they add up, and the whole thing snowballs.
We need 10 to stand a bit deeper.
Always throwing wide balls becomes predictable, as Ireland realised, and getting caught behind gain line.
So need option of the short pass to a straight line runner to create some doubt/room.
Maybe even occasional chip over top.
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The other problem with Foster is that he picks sides to save his skin rather than develop the team.
He doesn't have a long term vision so he picks teams entirely on the upcoming week - which ends up being so conservative that it's crippling.
He refuses to try Jordie at 12, Jordan at 15, Ardie at 7, Hoskins at 8 etc.
He refuses to cut loose the likes of Frizell, Ennor and Laulala.
He needed 12 months of evidence to drop Taylor for Samisoni.
With his job on the line this week he's not going to do anything bold.
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
The other problem with Foster is that he picks sides to save his skin rather than develop the team.
He doesn't have a long term vision so he picks teams entirely on the upcoming week - which ends up being so conservative that it's crippling.
He refuses to try Jordie at 12, Jordan at 15, Ardie at 7, Hoskins at 8 etc.
He refuses to cut loose the likes of Frizell, Ennor and Laulala.
He needed 12 months of evidence to drop Taylor for Samisoni.
With his job on the line this week he's not going to do anything bold.
Picks the best AB XV available?
Christ what a narcissist...
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Bongi injured replaced by Dweba in starting XV
I'm assuming these are Boks not teletubbies.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I didn’t realise people still had goatees like that post 1999
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I’m inclined to start with more direct team.
Would be technical call, but possibly Newell to start. Rest tighties same. Cane, Ardie and Vaa’i. Richie to 10 and BB to 15. Assuming Jordie crocked. Rest starters same.
Hard carries and kicking for corners/50:22s.
Switch up at 35 - 55. BB to 10, RTS for Havili (Clarke running decoys/power thrust), WJ to 15 and Reece on.
In forwards upspeed with Paps and Akira. Taylor and De Groot. Lomax/Ta’avao.
Oh, and let the boys go out on the piss tonight.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
you know what, if i set aside my differences on teh actual selections, i like the fact they aren't budging. They know what they think their best team is, and they are not budging. I think, had Whitelock and Retallick been available the whole time, then Cane, Savea and Barrett would have started every test. And that's a good thing.
Selection consistency is a good thing, but there often comes a time when you need to say "fuck it, let's shake some things up".
Think that time is now as there's little to lose.
Totally agree, but Foster seems to think he is on the right track and that they are one game away from something special.
@Frank said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How many weeks is it now since Sotutu has played rugby?
7 and half weeks
PGS was given the first 2 tests, and he'll never be back. Then they abandoned an 8 on the bench.
It's disgusting what they did with PGS. I'm also a fan of HS. They need minutes.
you know what, if i set aside my differences on teh actual selections, i like the fact they aren't budging. They know what they think their best team is, and they are not budging. I think, had Whitelock and Retallick been available the whole time, then Cane, Savea and Barrett would have started every test. And that's a good thing.
Selection consistency is a good thing, but there often comes a time when you need to say "fuck it, let's shake some things up".
Think that time is now as there's little to lose.
Totally agree, but Foster seems to think he is on the right track and that they are one game away from something special.
Up until Ireland 2, I thought that might be the case as there were 20-30 min periods when the team looked a completely different beast and that would start to cement itself. It hasn't.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I didn’t realise people still had goatees like that post 1999
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I’m inclined to start with more direct team.
Would be technical call, but possibly Newell to start. Rest tighties same. Cane, Ardie and Vaa’i. Richie to 10 and BB to 15. Assuming Jordie crocked. Rest starters same.
Hard carries and kicking for corners/50:22s.
Switch up at 35 - 55. BB to 10, RTS for Havili (Clarke running decoys/power thrust), WJ to 15 and Reece on.
In forwards upspeed with Paps and Akira. Taylor and De Groot. Lomax/Ta’avao.
Oh, and let the boys go out on the piss tonight.
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Oh, and let the boys go out on the piss tonight.
Yo're right, letting some pressure out often works. As long as the media doesn't get any photos
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@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
If the Ioane brothers play this weekend, I'd like to see a bunch of aggressive, dickhead, grub play. Head rubs, insults, shoving players, elbows leaning in to players on the ground, getting stuck in and being the biggest dicks they can be. Take it to them in all ways.
Only if we are not getting beaten again. It's embarrassing otherwise.
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
If the Ioane brothers play this weekend, I'd like to see a bunch of aggressive, dickhead, grub play. Head rubs, insults, shoving players, elbows leaning in to players on the ground, getting stuck in and being the biggest dicks they can be. Take it to them in all ways.
Only if we are not getting beaten again. It's embarrassing otherwise.
I got it: we get Frizzell to threaten to beat their wives.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
If the Ioane brothers play this weekend, I'd like to see a bunch of aggressive, dickhead, grub play. Head rubs, insults, shoving players, elbows leaning in to players on the ground, getting stuck in and being the biggest dicks they can be. Take it to them in all ways.
Only if we are not getting beaten again. It's embarrassing otherwise.
I got it: we get Frizzell to threaten to beat their wives.
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
If the Ioane brothers play this weekend, I'd like to see a bunch of aggressive, dickhead, grub play. Head rubs, insults, shoving players, elbows leaning in to players on the ground, getting stuck in and being the biggest dicks they can be. Take it to them in all ways.
Only if we are not getting beaten again. It's embarrassing otherwise.
I got it: we get Frizzell to threaten to beat their wives.
How would they tell the difference?
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
(with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
Really? You're not arguing a change in the coaching staff has brought rapid improvements, are you?
I've been told no-one was saying that... :fishing_pole:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
(with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
Really? You're not arguing a change in the coaching staff has brought rapid improvements, are you?
I've been told no-one was saying that... :fishing_pole:
I'll just copy and paste my reply from the other thread on rapid improvements and Ryan
Depends what you are talking about. Something like a lineout you can see improvement pretty quickly with organisation and practice (and selecting the right hooker....) I'm not saying that pace of improvement is realistic for all aspects of play. However it does show the impact coaching can have -
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
(with the exception of Jason Ryan who has just got there and already made some improvements).
Really? You're not arguing a change in the coaching staff has brought rapid improvements, are you?
I've been told no-one was saying that... :fishing_pole:
I'll just copy and paste my reply from the other thread on rapid improvements and Ryan
Depends what you are talking about. Something like a lineout you can see improvement pretty quickly with organisation and practice (and selecting the right hooker....) I'm not saying that pace of improvement is realistic for all aspects of play. However it does show the impact coaching can have@KiwiMurph all those posts by no one else, demanding rapid improvement though
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@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Bongi injured replaced by Dweba in starting XV
I'm assuming these are Boks not teletubbies.
@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Bongi injured replaced by Dweba in starting XV
I'm assuming these are Boks not teletubbies.
I'll get your coat for you
@OomPB Interesting call for Dweba to start. One I actually like. There is his long standing partnership with Ox, plus Duanne is starting (giving us a starting poacher) with Marx coming from the bench, likely when Duanne gets a rest.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Bongi injured replaced by Dweba in starting XV
I'm assuming these are Boks not teletubbies.
I'll get your coat for you
@OomPB Interesting call for Dweba to start. One I actually like. There is his long standing partnership with Ox, plus Duanne is starting (giving us a starting poacher) with Marx coming from the bench, likely when Duanne gets a rest.
@Billy-Webb Kwagga and Marx will work for me
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I’m inclined to start with more direct team.
Would be technical call, but possibly Newell to start. Rest tighties same. Cane, Ardie and Vaa’i. Richie to 10 and BB to 15. Assuming Jordie crocked. Rest starters same.
Hard carries and kicking for corners/50:22s.
Switch up at 35 - 55. BB to 10, RTS for Havili (Clarke running decoys/power thrust), WJ to 15 and Reece on.
In forwards upspeed with Paps and Akira. Taylor and De Groot. Lomax/Ta’avao.
Oh, and let the boys go out on the piss tonight.
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I’m inclined to start with more direct team.
Would be technical call, but possibly Newell to start. Rest tighties same. Cane, Ardie and Vaa’i. Richie to 10 and BB to 15. Assuming Jordie crocked. Rest starters same.
Hard carries and kicking for corners/50:22s.
Switch up at 35 - 55. BB to 10, RTS for Havili (Clarke running decoys/power thrust), WJ to 15 and Reece on.
In forwards upspeed with Paps and Akira. Taylor and De Groot. Lomax/Ta’avao.
Oh, and let the boys go out on the piss tonight.
You have to play more direct, this going side to side against a Boks team who are monstering them at the breakdown and squeezing the life out of them with their rush defence just doesn’t work. As Schalk Burger said the AB’s are the only side in the world who attempt to go wide without getting go-forward ball.
I’d start with DeGroot, Taukei’aho, Laulala/Ofa, Tuipulotu, Whitelock, Barrett, Savea & Cane with Akira & Papali’i off the bench. Go size and instruct DeGroot, Laulala/Ofa & Patty to empty the tank and come off after 40-50mins.
Start Fakatava/Mo’unga & instruct Fakatava to threaten their edge defence with his running game which should check their rush defence and to act as a fourth loose forward on defence. Once the game opens up bring Smith on to play a wider more up-tempo game.
Havili/Ioane pairing in the centres for some stability and we will also need Havili as another kick option & playmaker outside Mo’unga.
Stick with the same back 3 barring injury & have Clarke running off Mo’unga often to get go-forward and try to nullify the rush defence.
Areas that need focus, direct go-forward ball, breakdowns and high ball. I thought the AB defence was good last week albeit against a predictable attack.
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@pakman do you have access to this article by Nick Bishop?
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/all-blacks-back-row-desperate-for-a-shake-up/
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman do you have access to this article by Nick Bishop?
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/all-blacks-back-row-desperate-for-a-shake-up/
We’ve got a really versatile options that we can mixup depending on opponents. If we’re playing Boks or England/Ireland start Barrett at 6 with Akira coming off the bench.
Cane is beginning to remind me of the 2nd coming of Rueben Thorne aka Suitcase but you know what? You need that type of loosie in the mix to do the consistent loose/tight play that Savea doesn’t do plus leadership. Plus Cane is still the best turnover exponent we have. Papali’i is an outstanding backup and Blackadder can play all 3.
Against the Wallabies we can afford to start Akira & move Barrett to lock or off the bench of Brodie is fit.
IMO Frizell is a waste of a pick that could’ve been used to continue to develop PGS or bring Grace into the mix. Barrett and even Vaa’i are better 6 options than Frizell IMO.
Loose forwards - Cane, Papali’i, Savea, Sotutu, Blackadder, Ioane (Barrett picked as a lock).
Next tier - PGS, Grace, Jacobson, Mikaele-Tu’u Robinson, Frizell
