Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Selectors were Schmidt and Foster, with input (I imagine in particular for forwards) from coaches.
Coles and Ta'avao dropped. Other front row changes would have heavily to reflect Feek and Ryan view, so have to back their judgement.
Backs will heavily involve Joe input, and given his Blues experience he'd know what RTS and Perofeta could have brought, and Rieko's strengths and weaknesses. Feel Reece is unlucky.
Likewise, Joe will have inputted detailed analysis on Boks/AB work at breakdown. Given he's very familiar with Paps, Sotutu and Akira, the non-selection of first two must be something he's down with.
Scooter is seen as third best lock, so with BBBR out he's at 5. Clear wish (which I agree with) to have blunt instrument at 6, and options were Vaa'i, Frizell or (maybe) Patty T. Not that surprising they went for Frizell, given desirability of having a lock on bench.
What will be intriguing is how they change back five of pack at say 50. For example, Vaa'i on at lock, Akira at 8 and Ardie to 7. Or even Akira to 8, Ardie to 7 and choose later on between Vaa'i to 5, or 6.
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Vaa'i will get 10 minutes. Probably come on for Barrett. Ioane will come on at 6 for 20-25 minutes.
There is nothing revolutionary happening here.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Frye What a negative prick you are.
How about this. Frizzell gets a red. Cane replaced by Ioane with 7 to go. Scooter gets subbed for Vaai around the same time.
Taukieaho gets subbed at halftime with Bower coming on at 50 and Newell at 77.
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Barrett comes on at 10 with Mounga to fullback and Jordie to the wing. Tupaea comes on at 12 with Havili shifting to 13. Christie gets 30 minutes.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Barrett comes on at 10 with Mounga to fullback and Jordie to the wing. Tupaea comes on at 12 with Havili shifting to 13. Christie gets 30 minutes.
Everything points to Tupea going to 13 if Davey stays on, unfortunately.
I've found it hard to follow who's been where in last 20 minutes of last three games!
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Frye What a negative prick you are.
How about this. Frizzell gets a red. Cane replaced by Ioane with 7 to go. Scooter gets subbed for Vaai around the same time.
Taukieaho gets subbed at halftime with Bower coming on at 50 and Newell at 77.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Frye What a negative prick you are.
How about this. Frizzell gets a red. Cane replaced by Ioane with 7 to go. Scooter gets subbed for Vaai around the same time.
Taukieaho gets subbed at halftime with Bower coming on at 50 and Newell at 77.
Good work!
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Smith is in a slump because of the game plan. If we could get Will Genia out of retirement that would be grand. Smith needs to snipe. Either pass left or pass right, direct into De Allende and Am.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Smith is in a slump because of the game plan. If we could get Will Genia out of retirement that would be grand. Smith needs to snipe. Either pass left or pass right, direct into De Allende and Am.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
No
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
Who will be playing next to each other off first phase. Let's hope they've been practicing tackling
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
No, I meant DH misses tackles too. Can be up to 4 or 5 a game. It’s a channel that’s going to leak big time.
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
No, I meant DH misses tackles too. Can be up to 4 or 5 a game. It’s a channel that’s going to leak big time.
@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
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@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
I'd love to see what Ryan sees in Lomax as well.
Here's hoping part of this is taking a leaf from the Saffas cheating ways with the front row subbing (if you can't beat them, join them). There's a possibility here of half the game with the Saders FR
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Does anyone remember several years back when people were hoping for more competition in world rugby for the ABs and closer games because it was all a bit boring that the ABs kept winning?
I blame them
@stodders That was some journalist bs.
Truth is we were basking in the glory.
Never lost to Ireland, Argentina. GOATS or near GOATS throughout the team. Those were the days -
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hunch that Frizell will get 6.
Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team.
He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.and Frizzell does?
I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6
But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hunch that Frizell will get 6.
Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team.
He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.and Frizzell does?
I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6
But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't
It looks like they are trying to pick the least worst option at 6... I still prefer SB over both AK and SF... Bet ethan blackadders gutted about his shoulder... As this would have been a great opportunity to make strong claims..
Cos one thing both AK and SF have consistently failed to do... Is make the #6 theirs.... -
@cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.
i get the idea but
The problems are not that they aren't used to playing together, it's that they aren't used to playing this way together. We're gonna have the same problems with different faces. You aren't picking the Blues loosies to play like the Blues loosies, you are picking 3 guys who play at the Blues to be the AB loosies.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.
i get the idea but
The problems are not that they aren't used to playing together, it's that they aren't used to playing this way together. We're gonna have the same problems with different faces. You aren't picking the Blues loosies to play like the Blues loosies, you are picking 3 guys who play at the Blues to be the AB loosies.
The view that Foster has any clue what you are talking about is slim.
Great team on paper. Shit team on the paddock.
Bet they are awesome at training though.
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@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
On the radio this morning he said 'a different kind of physicality' to Akira.
No idea what that means.
