Springboks v All Blacks 2
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position thatâs keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position thatâs keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
Who will be playing next to each other off first phase. Let's hope they've been practicing tackling
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@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position thatâs keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position thatâs keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
No, I meant DH misses tackles too. Can be up to 4 or 5 a game. Itâs a channel thatâs going to leak big time.
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position thatâs keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
No, I meant DH misses tackles too. Can be up to 4 or 5 a game. Itâs a channel thatâs going to leak big time.
@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
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@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
I'd love to see what Ryan sees in Lomax as well.
Here's hoping part of this is taking a leaf from the Saffas cheating ways with the front row subbing (if you can't beat them, join them). There's a possibility here of half the game with the Saders FR
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Does anyone remember several years back when people were hoping for more competition in world rugby for the ABs and closer games because it was all a bit boring that the ABs kept winning?
I blame them
@stodders That was some journalist bs.
Truth is we were basking in the glory.
Never lost to Ireland, Argentina. GOATS or near GOATS throughout the team. Those were the days -
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hunch that Frizell will get 6.
Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team.
He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
Some may not like the truth but Akira doesnât cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.and Frizzell does?
I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6
But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hunch that Frizell will get 6.
Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team.
He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
Some may not like the truth but Akira doesnât cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.and Frizzell does?
I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6
But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't
It looks like they are trying to pick the least worst option at 6... I still prefer SB over both AK and SF... Bet ethan blackadders gutted about his shoulder... As this would have been a great opportunity to make strong claims..
Cos one thing both AK and SF have consistently failed to do... Is make the #6 theirs.... -
@cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.
i get the idea but
The problems are not that they aren't used to playing together, it's that they aren't used to playing this way together. We're gonna have the same problems with different faces. You aren't picking the Blues loosies to play like the Blues loosies, you are picking 3 guys who play at the Blues to be the AB loosies.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.
i get the idea but
The problems are not that they aren't used to playing together, it's that they aren't used to playing this way together. We're gonna have the same problems with different faces. You aren't picking the Blues loosies to play like the Blues loosies, you are picking 3 guys who play at the Blues to be the AB loosies.
The view that Foster has any clue what you are talking about is slim.
Great team on paper. Shit team on the paddock.
Bet they are awesome at training though.
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@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
On the radio this morning he said 'a different kind of physicality' to Akira.
No idea what that means.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
On the radio this morning he said 'a different kind of physicality' to Akira.
No idea what that means.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
On the radio this morning he said 'a different kind of physicality' to Akira.
No idea what that means.
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I am no fozzie fan but I think I know what he is alluding to.
Akira is more swerve and fend. A bit upright.
Frizzell will put the head down and carry into dark places. Ive never been convinced by him though off field issues notwithstanding.
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we are honestly getting into the territory of just telling the players :
"the ball doesn't go passed Mo'unga"
up the guts and kick the leather off it.
Move the scoreboard in increments of 3.
James Parsons alluded to it on the latest Aotearoa podcast. Some guys such as Bower are waiting as tip runners to throw a pass out the back. Instead of just telling them to fucking mill into the next ruck. They are trying to be ball players too.
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Anyone even looking at a ruck should be getting put on his arse this weekend.
None of this Lukhanyo Am nudging Bower to create a gap for Marx to jackal.
Every single arsehole within 5 yards of a breakdown should be getting torpedoed. Ref included.
Ruck Jihad.
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Anyone even looking at a ruck should be getting put on his arse this weekend.
None of this Lukhanyo Am nudging Bower to create a gap for Marx to jackal.
Every single arsehole within 5 yards of a breakdown should be getting torpedoed. Ref included.
Ruck Jihad.
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
None of this Lukhanyo Am nudging Bower to create a gap for Marx to jackal.
goddamn preach mate. That pissed me off no end. Different ref rules that VERY differently ... hence my optimistic prediction of an AB win.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
None of this Lukhanyo Am nudging Bower to create a gap for Marx to jackal.
goddamn preach mate. That pissed me off no end. Different ref rules that VERY differently ... hence my optimistic prediction of an AB win.
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Whereas we've had no motivation the previous two weeks?
I think by now it is clear that motivation isn't going to save us. We'll clear to everyone but Foster, apparently.
I have to say I'm impressed. After a run of terrible results to keep hoping that doing the same things over and over will give better results speaks to some awesome, absolutely world class, gold-medal winning, stubbornness.
Our results in rugby may be shit, but we have a world leader in pig-headedness!!!
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@ARHS said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hoped to see Reece Sotutu and Ross. Oh well. Good luck AB's. Lots of motivation.
One thing that seems odd is the squaddies selected but not used. Is this because the selection was a mistake (as the PGS example implies) or is it a lack of confidence?
Also possible that it is a symptom of the losses and they approach of putting it back on the incumbents to fix things.
It doesn't provide a lot of confidence in the squad selectors when they select players, don't use them then jump someone else over them. eg Ross
I like DeGroot as a player but it would also make sense against SA to have a Chiefs FR and a Saders FR to swap between (as suggested by someone earlier). They know how to work together and when SB and Whitelock are the locks the whole Saders tight 5 could have a spell together
