Springboks v All Blacks 2
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Whereas we've had no motivation the previous two weeks?
I think by now it is clear that motivation isn't going to save us. We'll clear to everyone but Foster, apparently.
I have to say I'm impressed. After a run of terrible results to keep hoping that doing the same things over and over will give better results speaks to some awesome, absolutely world class, gold-medal winning, stubbornness.
Our results in rugby may be shit, but we have a world leader in pig-headedness!!!
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@ARHS said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hoped to see Reece Sotutu and Ross. Oh well. Good luck AB's. Lots of motivation.
One thing that seems odd is the squaddies selected but not used. Is this because the selection was a mistake (as the PGS example implies) or is it a lack of confidence?
Also possible that it is a symptom of the losses and they approach of putting it back on the incumbents to fix things.
It doesn't provide a lot of confidence in the squad selectors when they select players, don't use them then jump someone else over them. eg Ross
I like DeGroot as a player but it would also make sense against SA to have a Chiefs FR and a Saders FR to swap between (as suggested by someone earlier). They know how to work together and when SB and Whitelock are the locks the whole Saders tight 5 could have a spell together -
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
we can't leave it to the ref this week. Flatten everyone.
Got to do that but be smart. If the ref pings everyone for cleanouts near the ruck (remember Ireladn 1 or 2 - there was some bullshit call on the right hand touchline early; Akira or Scott I think) then you have to be very focussed and directed.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
we can't leave it to the ref this week. Flatten everyone.
Got to do that but be smart. If the ref pings everyone for cleanouts near the ruck (remember Ireladn 1 or 2 - there was some bullshit call on the right hand touchline early; Akira or Scott I think) then you have to be very focussed and directed.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
we can't leave it to the ref this week. Flatten everyone.
Be whiny bitches and run to every tackle shouting 'Tackler release!'. If ref gets upset let him know that you were trying to save him from blowing a penalty.
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@ARHS said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hoped to see Reece Sotutu and Ross. Oh well. Good luck AB's. Lots of motivation.
One thing that seems odd is the squaddies selected but not used. Is this because the selection was a mistake (as the PGS example implies) or is it a lack of confidence?
Also possible that it is a symptom of the losses and they approach of putting it back on the incumbents to fix things.
It doesn't provide a lot of confidence in the squad selectors when they select players, don't use them then jump someone else over them. eg Ross
I like DeGroot as a player but it would also make sense against SA to have a Chiefs FR and a Saders FR to swap between (as suggested by someone earlier). They know how to work together and when SB and Whitelock are the locks the whole Saders tight 5 could have a spell together@Crucial yes and I agree about lack of combos but perhaps they don't want to admit they can't build better combos than the ones at super rugby? It is a remarkably inexplicable talent to select mostly the same players as often as Foster does who seem to gel together less and less.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Hunch that Frizell will get 6.
Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team.
He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.and Frizzell does?
I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6
But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't
It looks like they are trying to pick the least worst option at 6... I still prefer SB over both AK and SF... Bet ethan blackadders gutted about his shoulder... As this would have been a great opportunity to make strong claims..
Cos one thing both AK and SF have consistently failed to do... Is make the #6 theirs....@Mattasaurus said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Cos one thing both AK and SF have consistently failed to do... Is make the #6 theirs....
the problem right there is
Ioane got two tests in a row. In one he was the best or 2nd best AB on the paddock by a wide margin. In the other he actually had a good game.
And now he's dropped.
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we are honestly getting into the territory of just telling the players :
"the ball doesn't go passed Mo'unga"
up the guts and kick the leather off it.
Move the scoreboard in increments of 3.
James Parsons alluded to it on the latest Aotearoa podcast. Some guys such as Bower are waiting as tip runners to throw a pass out the back. Instead of just telling them to fucking mill into the next ruck. They are trying to be ball players too.
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
we are honestly getting into the territory of just telling the players :
"the ball doesn't go passed Mo'unga"
up the guts and kick the leather off it.
Move the scoreboard in increments of 3.
James Parsons alluded to it on the latest Aotearoa podcast. Some guys such as Bower are waiting as tip runners to throw a pass out the back. Instead of just telling them to fucking mill into the next ruck. They are trying to be ball players too.
At least until we actually get some go forward and for the love of Wonder Woman, Aaron Smith, please run from the base of the ruck.
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sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.
I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.
How does this 23 win the game?
Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.
We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.
The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.
If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
we can't leave it to the ref this week. Flatten everyone.
Got to do that but be smart. If the ref pings everyone for cleanouts near the ruck (remember Ireladn 1 or 2 - there was some bullshit call on the right hand touchline early; Akira or Scott I think) then you have to be very focussed and directed.
Akira was driven so far beyond the ruck last week he should have had tickets for where he ended up.
Stuff that changed momentum in the Irish series such as the cleaning beyond the ruck penalties and Leicester getting done for contact in the air were not pinged in the Springbok game when they happened to Akira and Jordie.
The Allblacks need to scream blue murder.
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sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.
I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.
How does this 23 win the game?
Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.
We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.
The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.
If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
How does this 23 win the game?
Play like the Crusaders in the Super Final.
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@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
No, I meant DH misses tackles too. Can be up to 4 or 5 a game. It’s a channel that’s going to leak big time.
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Props that struggle at scrum time. Locks that have been playing undisciplined (neck roll for Whitelock). Frizzel has never played well at Test level against the good sides. Cane hopelessly out of form and his injuries have caught up with him.
Ardie playing in a position that’s keeping a potential star at Test level out instead of at seven where his size is much more suited.
Smith is in a slump.
Ritchie is the backs version of Frizzel, and a poor defender. Havilli is also playing terribly, just like last year.
RI is trying too much (when the ball makes it that far). Jordan is off the back of a poor Test by his standards and has the flu, and JB is not adding anything but good goalkicking.
Fuck me days.
RM is a good defender, no?
Lol, no.
Has to be hidden out of the front line, often missed tackles. Same as Havilli
So we have to hide two front line players out of the front line? Holy moly
No, I meant DH misses tackles too. Can be up to 4 or 5 a game. It’s a channel that’s going to leak big time.
Yeah I think we agree. The first channel will be holy like Swiss cheese
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
https://amp.rugbypass.com/news/jake-white-the-all-blacks-are-in-uncharted-territory/
I found this comment interesting
The big advantage they have is really being shown with that 6-2 bench. Replacing the front row after 50 minutes gives them a real advantage. As a coach, I’d question that, because the laws were made for a 5-3 split. The lawmakers may need to think about enforcing that ruling. The way it's going, what’s to stop it being a 7-1 bench, if you get a forward who is really athletic and use him in the backs? It’s funny, if the lawmakers enforced a 6-2 split, guys would be saying, I want 5-3 split and three backs. We know what head coaches are like!
I had a look at WR and the Laws simply state 8 players and a separate statement around when 23 players selected there must be a total of 6 suitable front rowers. Nothing about the forward/back split.
Edit: I get what he is saying now. He means that a new law designating a 5/3 split should be in place as per the original intentions
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan only consolation is they seem to manage better at super?
Man did Sotutu take the last donut or something?
I'd love to see what Fozzie sees in frizzel.
I'd love to see what Ryan sees in Lomax as well.
Here's hoping part of this is taking a leaf from the Saffas cheating ways with the front row subbing (if you can't beat them, join them). There's a possibility here of half the game with the Saders FR
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
There's a possibility here of half the game with the Saders FR
Yeah, that stood out to me as well when looking at the team. Newell gets to play with Bower and Taylor.
The AB scrum has always looked stronger with BBBR as the TH lock. I don't think Whitelock offers the same power on that side.
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