Foster, Robertson etc
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew I think most people from outside the current set up can see alot of what is wrong,
Are they seeing the symptoms or the root causes? Often what seems an obvious problem cause is actually something way different.
and has been for several years, but have done nothing to try to rectify it.
Reminds of something I read recently: "The best time to plant a tree was ten years ago. The second-best time is now"
@Victor-Meldrew what we are seeing now is the symptom of years of neglect.
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If Foster is replaced - will the new coach(es) get to make new selections/droppings of the current squad for this tournament? Or are they stuck with what Foster and co. selected?
If Foster is replaced - will the new coach(es) get to make new selections/droppings of the current squad for this tournament? Or are they stuck with what Foster and co. selected?
I imagine that'd be a shit show player contract wise to try and drop existing members and select new players.
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If Foster is replaced - will the new coach(es) get to make new selections/droppings of the current squad for this tournament? Or are they stuck with what Foster and co. selected?
@Frank Zero problem.
The reality is that Foster's got 95% of the best players in NZ in his squad - the problem is to get them playing like world beaters. (E.g. Cullen Grace is a complete red herring, given that he'd have to supplant Hoskins Sotutu to actually get on the field).
Watching a bit of NPC today, seems like we're still predominantly stuck in the midfield bomb set, while much of the rest of the world has progressed ahead with attacking lines.
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@Frank Zero problem.
The reality is that Foster's got 95% of the best players in NZ in his squad - the problem is to get them playing like world beaters. (E.g. Cullen Grace is a complete red herring, given that he'd have to supplant Hoskins Sotutu to actually get on the field).
Watching a bit of NPC today, seems like we're still predominantly stuck in the midfield bomb set, while much of the rest of the world has progressed ahead with attacking lines.
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Frank Zero problem.
The reality is that Foster's got 95% of the best players in NZ in his squad - the problem is to get them playing like world beaters.
That assumes they are world-beaters simply awaiting a metamorphosis. Not 100% sold on that argument.
Watching a bit of NPC today, seems like we're still predominantly stuck in the midfield bomb set, while much of the rest of the world has progressed ahead with attacking lines.
Interesting comment. Makes you wonder how deep our current midfield problems are. Or is an explanation?
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@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Frank Zero problem.
The reality is that Foster's got 95% of the best players in NZ in his squad - the problem is to get them playing like world beaters.
That assumes they are world-beaters simply awaiting a metamorphosis. Not 100% sold on that argument.
Watching a bit of NPC today, seems like we're still predominantly stuck in the midfield bomb set, while much of the rest of the world has progressed ahead with attacking lines.
Interesting comment. Makes you wonder how deep our current midfield problems are. Or is an explanation?
@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
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@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
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@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
A change will almost always bring an improvement or halt a downward slide - particularly in teams - regardless of the quality of the Head honcho. Won't bore you with the details, but it's well documented, was discovered by an Australian (Elton Mayo) and been known about for 100+ years.
But unless the underlying issues are understood and fixed, there's a big risk that improvement will be temporary and you'll be back to square one. Sure, some of those issues might be addressed in the short-term by the new bloke with some fresh ideas, but getting those ideas to stick is a heck of a lot harder than implementing them.
(Standard disclaimer: The above is not an endorsement of Foster)
That's it from me on the Organisational & Performance Improvement stuff. Gave up that career up ages ago as I'd had enough of it...
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@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
A change will almost always bring an improvement or halt a downward slide - particularly in teams - regardless of the quality of the Head honcho. Won't bore you with the details, but it's well documented, was discovered by an Australian (Elton Mayo) and been known about for 100+ years.
But unless the underlying issues are understood and fixed, there's a big risk that improvement will be temporary and you'll be back to square one. Sure, some of those issues might be addressed in the short-term by the new bloke with some fresh ideas, but getting those ideas to stick is a heck of a lot harder than implementing them.
(Standard disclaimer: The above is not an endorsement of Foster)
That's it from me on the Organisational & Performance Improvement stuff. Gave up that career up ages ago as I'd had enough of it...
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
A change will almost always bring an improvement or halt a downward slide - particularly in teams - regardless of the quality of the Head honcho. Won't bore you with the details, but it's well documented, was discovered by an Australian (Elton Mayo) and been known about for 100+ years.
But unless the underlying issues are understood and fixed, there's a big risk that improvement will be temporary and you'll be back to square one. Sure, some of those issues might be addressed in the short-term by the new bloke with some fresh ideas, but getting those ideas to stick is a heck of a lot harder than implementing them.
(Standard disclaimer: The above is not an endorsement of Foster)
That's it from me on the Organisational & Performance Improvement stuff. Gave up that career up ages ago as I'd had enough of it...
You could call it the Cheika Effect
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
A change will almost always bring an improvement or halt a downward slide - particularly in teams - regardless of the quality of the Head honcho. Won't bore you with the details, but it's well documented, was discovered by an Australian (Elton Mayo) and been known about for 100+ years.
But unless the underlying issues are understood and fixed, there's a big risk that improvement will be temporary and you'll be back to square one. Sure, some of those issues might be addressed in the short-term by the new bloke with some fresh ideas, but getting those ideas to stick is a heck of a lot harder than implementing them.
(Standard disclaimer: The above is not an endorsement of Foster)
That's it from me on the Organisational & Performance Improvement stuff. Gave up that career up ages ago as I'd had enough of it...
You could call it the Cheika Effect
@Catogrande said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Chris-B said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew For certain, they may not be.
But, under Foster they are clearly a long way short of the mark. I've got zero doubt now that a coaching change has to happen and with a better coach we will do better.
A change will almost always bring an improvement or halt a downward slide - particularly in teams - regardless of the quality of the Head honcho. Won't bore you with the details, but it's well documented, was discovered by an Australian (Elton Mayo) and been known about for 100+ years.
But unless the underlying issues are understood and fixed, there's a big risk that improvement will be temporary and you'll be back to square one. Sure, some of those issues might be addressed in the short-term by the new bloke with some fresh ideas, but getting those ideas to stick is a heck of a lot harder than implementing them.
(Standard disclaimer: The above is not an endorsement of Foster)
That's it from me on the Organisational & Performance Improvement stuff. Gave up that career up ages ago as I'd had enough of it...
You could call it the Cheika Effect
One Australian discovering it and another proving it.
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So what happens if the ABs win by 10?
I can’t see NZRU can wield the axe for rest of Rigby Championship.
Foster gets to walk away into the sunset with a big grin. If there is a subsequent upturn in form by the ABs he can say he laid the foundations but wasn't given the time to see it all come to fruition.
So what happens if the ABs win by 10?
I can’t see NZRU can wield the axe for rest of Rigby Championship.
Foster gets to walk away into the sunset with a big grin. If there is a subsequent upturn in form by the ABs he can say he laid the foundations but wasn't given the time to see it all come to fruition.
And here we are.
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Do we think he’s gone-burgers?
@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
Do we think he’s gone-burgers?
A bit like the game last night, I wouldn't be surprised either way. There's been plenty of drums beating in the media and elsewhere, but the NZRU haven't taken a textbook management approach to any of it so far, so...!?
Mark Robinson and the NZR Board have an interesting few days ahead...
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@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
Do we think he’s gone-burgers?
A bit like the game last night, I wouldn't be surprised either way. There's been plenty of drums beating in the media and elsewhere, but the NZRU haven't taken a textbook management approach to any of it so far, so...!?
Mark Robinson and the NZR Board have an interesting few days ahead...
@Donsteppa said in Foster:
@Billy-Tell said in Foster:
Do we think he’s gone-burgers?
A bit like the game last night, I wouldn't be surprised either way. There's been plenty of drums beating in the media and elsewhere, but the NZRU haven't taken a textbook management approach to any of it so far, so...!?
Mark Robinson and the NZR Board have an interesting few days ahead...
Robinson doesn't have a say, does he? Both Foster and Robinson report to the board, so only the board can relieve Foster of his duties.
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I hope he’s gone. Not up to it.
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I hope he’s gone. Not up to it.
