Foster, Robertson etc
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@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Tim he definitely wanted the job. And was offered it last week. Then shafted this week.
I reckon theres truth to that!
According to my sauce Halangahus shiny new 'Head Coach' name tags had arrived at Blues HQ!@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Tim he definitely wanted the job. And was offered it last week. Then shafted this week.
I reckon theres truth to that!
According to my sauce Halangahus shiny new 'Head Coach' name tags had arrived at Blues HQ!Sounds like a lot of people getting ahead of themselves
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@mariner4life said in Foster:
We won't lose another test this year.
Oz in Oz, Eng in Eng (last test) will be the tricky ones. I don't see us beating England as we are playing ATM
You’re forgetting Scotland are due too. This is their year.
Actually given how the All Blacks have played this year they could ALL be tricky. Not sure where your confidence is coming from.
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I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.
NZR 1/10 for the managerial bollocks over the past 4 years.
Still elated we have prob found a front row. Onward and upward.
Current Razor status: sheathed.@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Blackadder
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Blackadder
Grace...@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
Blackadder
Grace...Injured and not in the squad, but if…
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@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
I’m so glad that even you don’t see a place for Ennor
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
I’m so glad that even you don’t see a place for Ennor
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster:
I'm sure as f**k that NZR watches the Fern.
Only problem is they are always one step behind some of the rugby minds on here.You’re not wrong. I’m always here to help too. All they have to do is get 6, 7, 8 and 9 sorted because the rest picks itself…
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, Barrett….Mo’unga Fainga’anuku, Havili, Goodhue, Reece, Jordan
I’m so glad that even you don’t see a place for Ennor
Haven’t named my bench yet
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Well, there's a pretty strong argument to be made that the assistant coaches are at least as important, if not more important than the head coach, and it was pretty clear Foster's assistants were not much chop at the top level.
When you bring Ryan and Schimdt into the fold our coaching team takes on a completely different look. Ryan has already made a difference in the forwards by simplifying things - it always looked to me the ABs were trying to be too clever for our own good, so that's a big step in the right direction.
TBH I'm OK with this decision, the players get some continuity with a coach they clearly respect, and the coaching team gets a big shake up at the same time.
That's not to say I think Foster is a great coach, and we'd probably have been better off with Robertson if he was given the job when they extended Foster's contract, but at the end of the day bringing him in now would have caused a fair bit of disruption close to the RWC.
It's hard to take too much from one win, but that was one hell of a win against the odds and gives the team plenty to build on moving forward.
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@Rapido I wasn't in favour of Fozzies appointment, but given NZR's mismanagement think the outcome is the best, pragmatic result.
However without wanting to denigrate Razor's achievements or up Fosters this is the Chiefs team that made the 2009 Final
CHIEFS:
FB 15 Mils Muliaina
RW 14 Lelia Masaga
CT 13 Richard Kahui
SF 12 Callum Bruce
LW 11 Dwayne Sweeney
FF 10 Stephen Donald
HB 9 Toby Morland
N8 8 Sione Lauaki
OF 7 Tanerau Latimer
BF 6 Liam Messam
RL 5 Kevin O'Neill
LL 4 Craig Clarke
TP 3 James McGougan
HK 2 Aled de Malmanche
LP 1 Sona Taumalolo
Substitutions:
HK 16 Hika Elliot
LP 17 Joe Savage
RL 18 Toby Lynn
LF 19 Serge Lilo
HB 20 David Bason
FF 21 Mike Delany
RW 22 Sosene AnesiYou could argue he did bloody well to even get them there. Not a shite squad but not the cattle Robertson's had to work with either. The 2009 Bulls were also on a different level to any of the sides Sharky's Crusaders have faced.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I just think it could have been managed better, especially given Robinson called Foster his good friend earlier and the chair gave his "absolute backing and support" to both in the same sentence.
“I want to absolutely emphasise going forward that both Ian as head coach and Mark as chief executive have the board's absolute backing and support.”Think you're hearing ghosts in the attic.
no attic so it nust be your imaginung.
including any notion the NZR are good at optics
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I just think it could have been managed better, especially given Robinson called Foster his good friend earlier and the chair gave his "absolute backing and support" to both in the same sentence.
“I want to absolutely emphasise going forward that both Ian as head coach and Mark as chief executive have the board's absolute backing and support.”Think you're hearing ghosts in the attic.
no attic so it nust be your imaginung.
including any notion the NZR are good at optics
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/9d/f9/f19df97352ab27d690822061edae5113.gif
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I just think it could have been managed better, especially given Robinson called Foster his good friend earlier and the chair gave his "absolute backing and support" to both in the same sentence.
“I want to absolutely emphasise going forward that both Ian as head coach and Mark as chief executive have the board's absolute backing and support.”Think you're hearing ghosts in the attic.
no attic so it nust be your imaginung.
including any notion the NZR are good at optics
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I just think it could have been managed better, especially given Robinson called Foster his good friend earlier and the chair gave his "absolute backing and support" to both in the same sentence.
“I want to absolutely emphasise going forward that both Ian as head coach and Mark as chief executive have the board's absolute backing and support.”Think you're hearing ghosts in the attic.
no attic so it nust be your imaginung.
including any notion the NZR are good at optics
That's zero, zip, nada to do Foster and Robinson patting each other on the shoulder.
On the article, I agree. Terrible optics. They should have told the complainers to fuck right off for being sexist fluffybunnies. Why shouldn't men celebrate IWD?
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One win and suddenly the "learnings" have been learned? You guys crack me up!
Foster has learned nothing. We will be back to players out of position, favourites never dropped, a backline relying on individual brilliance etc.
If he capable of more he would have learned it years -- decades -- ago.
If he cared about results he would have shown a lot more humility after his last couple of years with the Chiefs. And then his recent losses. But no, he thinks all is going sweet! He's utterly deluded.
And the results will remain lackluster as long as he remains anything but pure figurehead.
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What I find incredible is that he got 8 years at the Chiefs. Is he a fůcking hypnotist or something? Him and effing Mark Hammett.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.
So not shafted, just not eventuated. That, at least, is good management. No use firing Foster if there is no one to take over. And if he didn't get the offer, just a sounding, then no foul. Obviously NZR and Board are a bunch of rugby hating buffoons, by deciding one good game (plus 2 good quarters) out of 7 is a good thing, but at least in this case it was good management.
Good management 2.0 would be to leave Razor in little doubt he is next can off the rank, win lose or draw post RWC23. It will be a minor miracle of we win, and not something to build a foundation for the next 4 years on
@Machpants said in Foster:
@chchfanatic said in Foster:
@Crucial yes your answer is exactly right.
So not shafted, just not eventuated. That, at least, is good management. No use firing Foster if there is no one to take over. And if he didn't get the offer, just a sounding, then no foul. Obviously NZR and Board are a bunch of rugby hating buffoons, by deciding one good game (plus 2 good quarters) out of 7 is a good thing, but at least in this case it was good management.
Good management 2.0 would be to leave Razor in little doubt he is next can off the rank, win lose or draw post RWC23. It will be a minor miracle of we win, and not something to build a foundation for the next 4 years on
I'm going to very politely suggest that if Foster wins RWC2023 from where he was a month ago and NZR says "goodbye", the meltdown on the Fern will make the RWC2007 Quarter Final thread look like an Eskimo's day out in a dry ice factory.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Pretty Happy that Schmidt and Ryan will have a big influence going forward. At least they can see from the outside how shit it has been and make changes. The key is Foster listening and letting them make the necesarry changes.
Schmidt's involvement is Foster's idea. He's been trying to bring him on board for two years.
@Victor-Meldrew Because he understands his limitations or because he is a great eye for talent?
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Pretty Happy that Schmidt and Ryan will have a big influence going forward. At least they can see from the outside how shit it has been and make changes. The key is Foster listening and letting them make the necesarry changes.
Schmidt's involvement is Foster's idea. He's been trying to bring him on board for two years.
@Victor-Meldrew Because he understands his limitations or because he is a great eye for talent?
Probably both and because Foster recognises the importance of team strength? The strong internal support he gets isn't an accident.
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One win and suddenly the "learnings" have been learned? You guys crack me up!
Foster has learned nothing. We will be back to players out of position, favourites never dropped, a backline relying on individual brilliance etc.
If he capable of more he would have learned it years -- decades -- ago.
If he cared about results he would have shown a lot more humility after his last couple of years with the Chiefs. And then his recent losses. But no, he thinks all is going sweet! He's utterly deluded.
And the results will remain lackluster as long as he remains anything but pure figurehead.
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
One win and suddenly the "learnings" have been learned? You guys crack me up!
Foster has learned nothing. We will be back to players out of position, favourites never dropped, a backline relying on individual brilliance etc.
If he capable of more he would have learned it years -- decades -- ago.
If he cared about results he would have shown a lot more humility after his last couple of years with the Chiefs. And then his recent losses. But no, he thinks all is going sweet! He's utterly deluded.
And the results will remain lackluster as long as he remains anything but pure figurehead.
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One win and suddenly the "learnings" have been learned? You guys crack me up!
Foster has learned nothing. We will be back to players out of position, favourites never dropped, a backline relying on individual brilliance etc.
If he capable of more he would have learned it years -- decades -- ago.
If he cared about results he would have shown a lot more humility after his last couple of years with the Chiefs. And then his recent losses. But no, he thinks all is going sweet! He's utterly deluded.
And the results will remain lackluster as long as he remains anything but pure figurehead.
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
One win and suddenly the "learnings" have been learned? You guys crack me up!
Who are you guys? Who has said the above?
Foster has learned nothing. We will be back to players out of position, favourites never dropped, a backline relying on individual brilliance etc.
Did he tell you this? Or are you just speculating?
If he capable of more he would have learned it years -- decades -- ago.
If he cared about results he would have shown a lot more humility after his last couple of years with the Chiefs. And then his recent losses. But no, he thinks all is going sweet! He's utterly deluded.
You think Foster doesn't care about the results & he think's all is going sweet? And then you call HIM deluded?
And the results will remain lackluster as long as he remains anything but pure figurehead.
Ae you suggesting it's ok for him to be head coach as long as he has nothing to do with the team?
I'm fucking grumpy today for a number of reasons and the shit on this thread isn't helping. If you've got something new to offer, then cool. But we are what, 3k posts into recycling the same crap over and over again with people inventing arguments / point of view to fight against.
If you've nothing new to add, fuck off to another thread.
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As John Hart said today - One of Foster's main mistakes was sticking with Mooar and Plumtree even after the players raised concerns about them following the end of year tour. He strikes me as a conservative, stubborn and loyal guy that needs a bomb under him before he will change.
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As John Hart said today - One of Foster's main mistakes was sticking with Mooar and Plumtree even after the players raised concerns about them following the end of year tour. He strikes me as a conservative, stubborn and loyal guy that needs a bomb under him before he will change.
As John Hart said today - One of Foster's main mistakes was sticking with Mooar and Plumtree even after the players raised concerns about them following the end of year tour. He strikes me as a conservative, stubborn and loyal guy that needs a bomb under him before he will change.
Perhaps making him feel comfortable up to the RWC isn't the best strategy then. Maybe Fozz needs an atmosphere of constant concern....
