All Blacks 2022
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As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo.
The one aspect I think sets Havili apart is his distribution ability. Much like Nonu, he's basically got the skills in that regard to put people into space excellently, like a very good 10. He just lacks the rest of the package unfortunately - but I really do think with experience he will certainly be able to bring that skill set to the fore (which will be very valuable), while "bolstering" his other talents to an adequate level.
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
It may be well worth it if we do get there - though it would be good to know where "there" is and how long we expect it take to get there.
Perhaps, like the front row issues which suddenly seem to be improving, the same will happen in midfield. God knows we've had enough problems there in recent years.
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Does this guy still play ? Really small at about 6 2 and 100kg but I remember he went ok sometimes ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Does this guy still play ? Really small at about 6 2 and 100kg but I remember he went ok sometimes ?
He also returned from injury and went OK.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Does this guy still play ? Really small at about 6 2 and 100kg but I remember he went ok sometimes ?
He also returned from injury and went OK.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
Does this guy still play ? Really small at about 6 2 and 100kg but I remember he went ok sometimes ?
He also returned from injury and went OK.
He was pretty shit for the All Blacks though
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
take away his pace and he would have been fucked
Know something we don't?
Take away half of Taukieaho and he won't be very good at hitting and carting the ball up, I don't think that means he's not fit for his role.
Apologies Bones. I didn't articulate the point well enough.
Rieko scrambled really well and made some super tackles around the legs at full stretch. We would have lost without his tackles. However I never remember Conrad having to chase in such desperation. He was always in the right place and never seemed to be out of his comfort zone. Riekos pace in my opinion made up for some initial poor positioning.
I don't think his defensive reads are good enough. And as European cup winning manager Ronan O Gara stated 3 weeks ago : He is clearly a winger playing at centre.
Its akin to football where they say if you need to make a last ditch sliding tackle maybe you were out of position in the first place.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
take away his pace and he would have been fucked
Know something we don't?
Take away half of Taukieaho and he won't be very good at hitting and carting the ball up, I don't think that means he's not fit for his role.
Apologies Bones. I didn't articulate the point well enough.
Rieko scrambled really well and made some super tackles around the legs at full stretch. We would have lost without his tackles. However I never remember Conrad having to chase in such desperation. He was always in the right place and never seemed to be out of his comfort zone. Riekos pace in my opinion made up for some initial poor positioning.
I don't think his defensive reads are good enough. And as European cup winning manager Ronan O Gara stated 3 weeks ago : He is clearly a winger playing at centre.
Its akin to football where they say if you need to make a last ditch sliding tackle maybe you were out of position in the first place.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
take away his pace and he would have been fucked
Know something we don't?
Take away half of Taukieaho and he won't be very good at hitting and carting the ball up, I don't think that means he's not fit for his role.
Apologies Bones. I didn't articulate the point well enough.
Rieko scrambled really well and made some super tackles around the legs at full stretch. We would have lost without his tackles. However I never remember Conrad having to chase in such desperation. He was always in the right place and never seemed to be out of his comfort zone. Riekos pace in my opinion made up for some initial poor positioning.
I don't think his defensive reads are good enough. And as European cup winning manager Ronan O Gara stated 3 weeks ago : He is clearly a winger playing at centre.
Its akin to football where they say if you need to make a last ditch sliding tackle maybe you were out of position in the first place.
@Bones is terrific for memes and self deprecating wit but gee whiz you certainly don’t take any Rugby related chat too seriously. He’s clueless.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life tribalism
Not really. I'm a Canes supporter who hasn't been in the South Island since the age of 5. Unlike some people here I don't give a fůck what Super team someone plays for. Ultimately it's about the Allblacks. And on that front all I can say is that even with his apparent lack of experience and enormous size, Goodhue is a better option at 13 than Rieko.
When he is fit, which isn't often these past few years, he's looked very, very slow at 13. And that's at Super Rugby level. That Bok centre would make him his bitch at Test level.
Pretty much only in the picture as a 12 now.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
Pretty much only in the picture as a 12 now.
Which is where Foster, probably wisely, sees/saw his future in the team. Hope Reiko plays as well as he did last Saturday for a few more games to cement the 1 slot. IMHO having someone nailed on there would be a huge step forward.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
take away his pace and he would have been fucked
Know something we don't?
Take away half of Taukieaho and he won't be very good at hitting and carting the ball up, I don't think that means he's not fit for his role.
Apologies Bones. I didn't articulate the point well enough.
Rieko scrambled really well and made some super tackles around the legs at full stretch. We would have lost without his tackles. However I never remember Conrad having to chase in such desperation. He was always in the right place and never seemed to be out of his comfort zone. Riekos pace in my opinion made up for some initial poor positioning.
I don't think his defensive reads are good enough. And as European cup winning manager Ronan O Gara stated 3 weeks ago : He is clearly a winger playing at centre.
Its akin to football where they say if you need to make a last ditch sliding tackle maybe you were out of position in the first place.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
take away his pace and he would have been fucked
Know something we don't?
Take away half of Taukieaho and he won't be very good at hitting and carting the ball up, I don't think that means he's not fit for his role.
Apologies Bones. I didn't articulate the point well enough.
Rieko scrambled really well and made some super tackles around the legs at full stretch. We would have lost without his tackles. However I never remember Conrad having to chase in such desperation. He was always in the right place and never seemed to be out of his comfort zone. Riekos pace in my opinion made up for some initial poor positioning.
I don't think his defensive reads are good enough. And as European cup winning manager Ronan O Gara stated 3 weeks ago : He is clearly a winger playing at centre.
Its akin to football where they say if you need to make a last ditch sliding tackle maybe you were out of position in the first place.
Yeah but different styles of defence eh. You probably wouldn't have seen Smith scrambling back as quickly on defence and being one of the first ones to defend the tryline again and again like Rieko did against Ireland.
Smith learned his trade the same way Rieko will.
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Coming into the home stages the ABs are carrying several back up players:
Ennor
Dickson
Lomax
Newell
Patty T (arguably)It seems reasonable to expect most to be released.
Ennor and Dickson are the easy ones, in the assumption Patty covers Lord’s absence.
But five THs currently in squad, almost certainly a record.
The two covers played in last test, so harsh to discard.
Does Angus get released and could they fudge Newell as ‘apprentice’?Any word on grapevine?
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Coming into the home stages the ABs are carrying several back up players:
Ennor
Dickson
Lomax
Newell
Patty T (arguably)It seems reasonable to expect most to be released.
Ennor and Dickson are the easy ones, in the assumption Patty covers Lord’s absence.
But five THs currently in squad, almost certainly a record.
The two covers played in last test, so harsh to discard.
Does Angus get released and could they fudge Newell as ‘apprentice’?Any word on grapevine?
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Coming into the home stages the ABs are carrying several back up players:
Ennor
Dickson
Lomax
Newell
Patty T (arguably)It seems reasonable to expect most to be released.
Ennor and Dickson are the easy ones, in the assumption Patty covers Lord’s absence.
But five THs currently in squad, almost certainly a record.
The two covers played in last test, so harsh to discard.
Does Angus get released and could they fudge Newell as ‘apprentice’?Any word on grapevine?
Great point pakman I was wondering same myself. Assume they would return to where they came from? Or will they just say we making changes. Think Pat T was named in original squad, but would like to see Newell and Lomax stay in.
Dickson,Lomax and Ennor were definitely named for SA leg of championship only, so will be interesting. -
Laulala didn't look anywhere near ready to play a test match. No idea how Ofa played. I think they could justify saying both need another NPC game at least to be considered for the ABs and not make any changes to the props.
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UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
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UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...
Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
Wow. That is a big call.
One I support but they managed to slide that in the middle of the statement.
Basically dumped and we are going to invest elsewhere. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
Wow. That is a big call.
One I support but they managed to slide that in the middle of the statement.
Basically dumped and we are going to invest elsewhere.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
Wow. That is a big call.
One I support but they managed to slide that in the middle of the statement.
Basically dumped and we are going to invest elsewhere.Yep or just as likely feel they need more play to get match fitness. As I said I was quite happy to see Newell and Lomax stay there, and suspect this could just to be see how things go with them?
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UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...
Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
So many people's midfield great white hope is out, foster needs to pick and stick until the RWC
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
Wow. That is a big call.
One I support but they managed to slide that in the middle of the statement.
Basically dumped and we are going to invest elsewhere.Yep or just as likely feel they need more play to get match fitness. As I said I was quite happy to see Newell and Lomax stay there, and suspect this could just to be see how things go with them?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
Wow. That is a big call.
One I support but they managed to slide that in the middle of the statement.
Basically dumped and we are going to invest elsewhere.Yep or just as likely feel they need more play to get match fitness. As I said I was quite happy to see Newell and Lomax stay there, and suspect this could just to be see how things go with them?
They will be there as fallback for sure and I might be putting two and two together here but when asked last week if the SA2 game personnel changes had shown a way forward and some problems looked closer to be solved, Foster said he thought that was the case.
Whether right or wrong he looks to me to be embracing the idea that the old FR brigade weren't indispensable after all.Also I think that maybe it exposed one of the old tenets of the game that other teams realised wasn't necessarily the case a while back. Young dynamic players, as long as they can front up, over more to the game under the current directives than old veterans.
Scrums are allowed to look dominated or or dominant without any repercussions as long as the ball comes out. As long as you don't collapse or wheel it doesn't matter if you move your opposite back a metre nowdays. The backlines are set back from the scrum anyway and don't adjust when the scrum moves. Once the setup is there the refs don't give a shit if the 5metres is kept -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
So many people's midfield great white hope is out, foster needs to pick and stick until the RWC
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
So many people's midfield great white hope is out, foster needs to pick and stick until the RWC
Sadly Ennor is still there to make up numbers though.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury.
This is not correct. He started most of his games at fullback for Canterbury. He also had some starts at 12 and one at 13, but his primary position was fullback
He initially started the season at FB, but was then 12 and he ended at 13 because Goodhue was injured. Regardless, the combo he formed with Goodhue looked really good and I wish he'd stayed down there to continue that. I've always said that I would rather him play at 12 for the Saders than 15 for the Canes.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury.
This is not correct. He started most of his games at fullback for Canterbury. He also had some starts at 12 and one at 13, but his primary position was fullback
He initially started the season at FB, but was then 12 and he ended at 13 because Goodhue was injured. Regardless, the combo he formed with Goodhue looked really good and I wish he'd stayed down there to continue that. I've always said that I would rather him play at 12 for the Saders than 15 for the Canes.
Why? Do you want all the ABs to play for the Saders? Super rugby should be a standalone competition IMHO not just a feeder for the ABs.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
UPDATE | The following players will not assemble in Christchurch...Brodie Retallick: Is available to return to play with Hawke’s Bay in the Bunnings NPC, this weekend.
Jack Goodhue: After taking the field for Northland in the Bunnings NPC, his knee has not improved as hoped. He will undergo surgery.
Nepo Laulala and Ofa Tu’ungafasi: Both have recovered from injury and will remain with Counties Manukau and Northland, respectively.
Patrick Tuipulotu: Suffered a neck injury at training during the second week of the South African tour. He will remain in Auckland for treatment and will continue to be monitored.
Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Dickson and Braydon Ennor will remain with the squad.
So many people's midfield great white hope is out, foster needs to pick and stick until the RWC
@Machpants I think Goodhue just needs time to get his body right, but I think AB rugby may have passed him by unfortunately, although I think his class is there to see with his game and his organisation on defence is a huge factor.
