All Black props
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@pakman said in All Black props:
For @BartMan and @NTA: https://mobile.twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1559636427037622276
Interesting.
Not sure how he arrives at the conclusion that it was a 50/50 penalty call though - if you ignore everything the SA prop slipping, you might be able to penalise the NZ prop for going down?
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@NTA said in All Black props:
@Rapido except it isn't a video, it's a GIF, which is a poor medium for analysis
Its pronounced JIF....
@PecoTrain said in All Black props:
@NTA said in All Black props:
@Rapido except it isn't a video, it's a GIF, which is a poor medium for analysis
Its pronounced JIF....
That's exactly how I pronounced it. Maybe my Australian accent?
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@pakman said in All Black props:
For @BartMan and @NTA: https://mobile.twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1559636427037622276
Interesting.
Not sure how he arrives at the conclusion that it was a 50/50 penalty call though - if you ignore everything the SA prop slipping, you might be able to penalise the NZ prop for going down?
@PecoTrain said in All Black props:
@pakman said in All Black props:
For @BartMan and @NTA: https://mobile.twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1559636427037622276
Interesting.
Not sure how he arrives at the conclusion that it was a 50/50 penalty call though - if you ignore everything the SA prop slipping, you might be able to penalise the NZ prop for going down?
Think he was referring to very slight hinge by EDG. Most refs would just penalise Green.
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@MN5 said in All Black props:
For Laulala to be a decent All Black he’d basically need to be the best scrummager in the world because his work around the field is absolutely diabolical.
He got stood up bad in one try that I saw in the highlights.
@chimoaus said in All Black props:
@MN5 said in All Black props:
For Laulala to be a decent All Black he’d basically need to be the best scrummager in the world because his work around the field is absolutely diabolical.
He got stood up bad in one try that I saw in the highlights.
Yes I saw that it was a shocker, certainly did not look like an All Black prop, more like a tired club prop out of his depth at first class level, struggling to keep up with play.
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@chimoaus said in All Black props:
@MN5 said in All Black props:
For Laulala to be a decent All Black he’d basically need to be the best scrummager in the world because his work around the field is absolutely diabolical.
He got stood up bad in one try that I saw in the highlights.
Yes I saw that it was a shocker, certainly did not look like an All Black prop, more like a tired club prop out of his depth at first class level, struggling to keep up with play.
@BartMan said in All Black props:
@chimoaus said in All Black props:
@MN5 said in All Black props:
For Laulala to be a decent All Black he’d basically need to be the best scrummager in the world because his work around the field is absolutely diabolical.
He got stood up bad in one try that I saw in the highlights.
more like a tired
clubprop out of his depthat first class level, struggling to keep up with play.You should do a poll on this: how many of us is this? Describes me in a nutshell
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@BartMan said in All Black props:
@chimoaus said in All Black props:
@MN5 said in All Black props:
For Laulala to be a decent All Black he’d basically need to be the best scrummager in the world because his work around the field is absolutely diabolical.
He got stood up bad in one try that I saw in the highlights.
more like a tired
clubprop out of his depthat first class level, struggling to keep up with play.You should do a poll on this: how many of us is this? Describes me in a nutshell
@nzzp said in All Black props:
@BartMan said in All Black props:
@chimoaus said in All Black props:
@MN5 said in All Black props:
For Laulala to be a decent All Black he’d basically need to be the best scrummager in the world because his work around the field is absolutely diabolical.
He got stood up bad in one try that I saw in the highlights.
more like a tired
clubprop out of his depthat first class level, struggling to keep up with play.You should do a poll on this: how many of us is this? Describes me in a nutshell
Widen the poll by not restricting it to props.
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Got a question for you all. You know we have the hooker using the 'brake foot' , could we do similar with props? Actually make them hold it too, so always packed with one foot in front of other, I just wonder if it would stop a lot of collapses, props would pack a little higher I know, but may stop feet slipping out etc.
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Got a question for you all. You know we have the hooker using the 'brake foot' , could we do similar with props? Actually make them hold it too, so always packed with one foot in front of other, I just wonder if it would stop a lot of collapses, props would pack a little higher I know, but may stop feet slipping out etc.
@Dan54 pretty sure that the set process the way Cron used to coach started with a split stance and only once they engage when both feet go back.
Obviously a hooker is largely reliant on his props stability to allow him to hook, however, given how the 9s pretty much throw the ball under the locks feet now, the hooker isnt losing much power waiting for the hook on one foot.
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@Dan54 pretty sure that the set process the way Cron used to coach started with a split stance and only once they engage when both feet go back.
Obviously a hooker is largely reliant on his props stability to allow him to hook, however, given how the 9s pretty much throw the ball under the locks feet now, the hooker isnt losing much power waiting for the hook on one foot.
@taniwharugby said in All Black props:
@Dan54 pretty sure that the set process the way Cron used to coach started with a split stance and only once they engage when both feet go back.
Obviously a hooker is largely reliant on his props stability to allow him to hook, however, given how the 9s pretty much throw the ball under the locks feet now, the hooker isnt losing much power waiting for the hook on one foot.
Yep taniwhai, I just wonder if props can be made to hold it, so we don't get the probelm when they put foot back and slip out. Would mean staying slightly higher and making sure they learn to straighten back while hips are well bent, might be dumb idea too, just a thought.
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@taniwharugby said in All Black props:
@Dan54 pretty sure that the set process the way Cron used to coach started with a split stance and only once they engage when both feet go back.
Obviously a hooker is largely reliant on his props stability to allow him to hook, however, given how the 9s pretty much throw the ball under the locks feet now, the hooker isnt losing much power waiting for the hook on one foot.
Yep taniwhai, I just wonder if props can be made to hold it, so we don't get the probelm when they put foot back and slip out. Would mean staying slightly higher and making sure they learn to straighten back while hips are well bent, might be dumb idea too, just a thought.
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@taniwharugby said in All Black props:
@Dan54 pretty sure that the set process the way Cron used to coach started with a split stance and only once they engage when both feet go back.
Obviously a hooker is largely reliant on his props stability to allow him to hook, however, given how the 9s pretty much throw the ball under the locks feet now, the hooker isnt losing much power waiting for the hook on one foot.
Yep taniwhai, I just wonder if props can be made to hold it, so we don't get the probelm when they put foot back and slip out. Would mean staying slightly higher and making sure they learn to straighten back while hips are well bent, might be dumb idea too, just a thought.
@Dan54 all I'd say is split squats are harder in terms of balance and doing less weight than a standard squat with a square stance, so while your stance wouldnt be as wide as a split squat, I'd say it likely wouldnt be as stable as a square stance, although likely de-powered, if all the props were doing it...
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@Dan54 Don't know anything about the dynamics, Dan - but one thing I'd imagine could be a worry is blowing a prop's knee when the weight comes on as they shift the brake foot back.
@Chris-B said in All Black props:
@Dan54 Don't know anything about the dynamics, Dan - but one thing I'd imagine could be a worry is blowing a prop's knee when the weight comes on as they shift the brake foot back.
Yep mate, just a thought I had, I was thinking they should perhaps have to keep brake foor there, just trying to think how we can stop them getting too low, the keeping shoulders above hips is perhaps one of problems as they have feet so far back to keep hips low I think we getting some slipping. I not really advocating we go to it and just thought I would ask other's opinions, which I kind of helps me undertand why perhaps it not looked at.
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Stumbled across this thread, whilst looking for the one on Will's try-scoring - which is an interesting re-read given there's quite a lot of focus on props this week. Quite a lot of wrongness in this thread - though the injuries to Bower and Moody haven't helped.
Anyway, after my re-read - I'm pretty set that our starting front row should be de Groot, Taylor, Lomax (woo hoo) - and the bench should be Williams, Coles and Newell (I don't mind if they play Sami, I don't think they will though - Coles' experience will trump him).
My other quandary is whether they should start Sam Whitelock and bring Brodie off the bench again. I don't think this was the plan (I think they "rested" BBBR vs the Argies). But, given the traction the English got vs the Bok lineout and the faith they have in their bomb squad, maybe it makes sense to have our lineout ace starting and our grunt machine coming on later to help nullify the bombers.
Though, actually, with Marx gone and Rassie reverting to five bench forwards in the last couple of games, the squad is not looking enormously fearsome. Bongi looks like he'll have to play close to 80 minutes and I reckon we might be able to exploit that. I also noted he was getting strapping for a thigh or hammy around the 70 minute mark vs England, so potentially another concern for the boks.
Will be very interesting to see how they structure their team this week.
I'm inclined to think they'll start Faf and Handre. Libbok may not even make the bench - I'm guessing 6 forwards.
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@NTA said in All Black props:
Lomax: not convinced. And he's an Aussie FFS!
Being born in Aussie doesn't make you an Aussie (according to your govt). John might have done the prudent thing and not applied for citizenship for young Tyrel so as not to taint him.
@Nepia said in All Black props:
@NTA said in All Black props:
Lomax: not convinced. And he's an Aussie FFS!
Being born in Aussie doesn't make you an Aussie (according to your govt). John might have done the prudent thing and not applied for citizenship for young Tyrel so as not to taint him.
is it time to revisit these predictions of Lomax et al?
