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All Blacks 2022

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  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

    @Chris I thought people might be interested in the attacking shape that Schmidt has employed.

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    @KiwiMurph Lots of good cleaning from Scott Barrett and Samisoni Taukei'aho in that clip.

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      wonder if Brodie will get a start or come off the bench? I expect he will get a spot in the 23 over Vaai, and wonder if it alters the bench given they could then move SB to 6?

      I dont think bringing him straight into the 23 would be the right call, but expect they will.

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        Gotta say I've been really confused by the number of people on here who think Barrett is some sort of solution at 6. Putting him there lost us the world cup, and I just haven't seen anything that suggests it has become a good idea. Insisting on a lightweight 8 isn't going to be fixed by playing a lock at 6.

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          Gotta say I've been really confused by the number of people on here who think Barrett is some sort of solution at 6. Putting him there lost us the world cup, and I just haven't seen anything that suggests it has become a good idea. Insisting on a lightweight 8 isn't going to be fixed by playing a lock at 6.

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          @reprobate I didnt suggest he was the solution, I do however think Fozzie thinks it is a good option.

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            @reprobate I didnt suggest he was the solution, I do however think Fozzie thinks it is a good option.

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            @taniwharugby yeah not pointing at you bro, but before retallick was injured i think there were a few suggesting it. weirds me out every time i hear it as any sort of an option that's not injury cover during a game.

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              @taniwharugby yeah not pointing at you bro, but before retallick was injured i think there were a few suggesting it. weirds me out every time i hear it as any sort of an option that's not injury cover during a game.

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              @reprobate if it were me, I'd be handing Vaai a start, we need to start blooding these young guys.

              We are running SB & SW into the ground, and if they are gonna make the RWC, we need some people to take some decent minutes.

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              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                @reprobate if it were me, I'd be handing Vaai a start, we need to start blooding these young guys.

                We are running SB & SW into the ground, and if they are gonna make the RWC, we need some people to take some decent minutes.

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                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                @reprobate if it were me, I'd be handing Vaai a start, we need to start blooding these young guys.

                We are running SB & SW into the ground, and if they are gonna make the RWC, we need some people to take some decent minutes.

                Agreed. We no longer have the luxury of getting on top of an opposition in either a game or series to give new players serious game time.

                I think right now, giving these guys experience is a priority.

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                  Gotta say I've been really confused by the number of people on here who think Barrett is some sort of solution at 6. Putting him there lost us the world cup, and I just haven't seen anything that suggests it has become a good idea. Insisting on a lightweight 8 isn't going to be fixed by playing a lock at 6.

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                  @reprobate said in All Blacks 2022:

                  Gotta say I've been really confused by the number of people on here who think Barrett is some sort of solution at 6. Putting him there lost us the world cup, and I just haven't seen anything that suggests it has become a good idea. Insisting on a lightweight 8 isn't going to be fixed by playing a lock at 6.

                  Yep. SB looks to be developing well at lock and his last few games have been relatively good. Use him there and as an option to cover 6.

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                    #3778

                    Watched the breakdown last night.

                    Weak weak weak punditry.

                    Jeff Wilson has his head up his arse....and I bloody loved him as a player.

                    Muliaina went from doing a segment fellating Cane after Ellis park and now is calling for Papalii.

                    The whole country seems to have been castrated.

                    They don't even seem annoyed about it.

                    The legacy that was established by men (most of whom are no longer with us) is being shat all over by this current crop.

                    You never get those records back. They are gone.

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                      We need a Caleb Clarke body type at 12.

                      And a big lump at number 8.

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                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                        @reprobate said in All Blacks 2022:

                        Gotta say I've been really confused by the number of people on here who think Barrett is some sort of solution at 6. Putting him there lost us the world cup, and I just haven't seen anything that suggests it has become a good idea. Insisting on a lightweight 8 isn't going to be fixed by playing a lock at 6.

                        Yep. SB looks to be developing well at lock and his last few games have been relatively good. Use him there and as an option to cover 6.

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                        @Victor-Meldrew

                        Could we give Vaii and Scot Barrett a go together?

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                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @reprobate if it were me, I'd be handing Vaai a start, we need to start blooding these young guys.

                          We are running SB & SW into the ground, and if they are gonna make the RWC, we need some people to take some decent minutes.

                          Agreed. We no longer have the luxury of getting on top of an opposition in either a game or series to give new players serious game time.

                          I think right now, giving these guys experience is a priority.

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                          @Victor-Meldrew

                          100% .

                          I didn't know what Fletcher Newell looked like 3 weeks ago and he is already bordering on undroppable.

                          Get them in for fuck sake.

                          Plenty of the current crop have had too many chances.

                          Fakatava needs a start and to be left out there for minimum 60 minutes. Same with Vaii, Papalii, Sotutu for a start.

                          I have no idea why an Umaga Jensen brother is not in the squad.

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                            Was it a mistake to not have a traditional soft touch before the Irish series?

                            A Fiji or a Tonga to put 50 points on and give some new guys a W on their CV's.

                            Foster is snookered now and fighting for his job, so it breeds conservative selections and paralysis with subs.

                            Such as Perofeta getting 50 seconds.

                            We could have saved our selves the lawyers fees and capped a one kneed Fakatava last year if we are only giving lads 50 seconds.

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                              Was it a mistake to not have a traditional soft touch before the Irish series?

                              A Fiji or a Tonga to put 50 points on and give some new guys a W on their CV's.

                              Foster is snookered now and fighting for his job, so it breeds conservative selections and paralysis with subs.

                              Such as Perofeta getting 50 seconds.

                              We could have saved our selves the lawyers fees and capped a one kneed Fakatava last year if we are only giving lads 50 seconds.

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                              @Steve said in All Blacks 2022:

                              Was it a mistake to not have a traditional soft touch before the Irish series?

                              A Fiji or a Tonga to put 50 points on and give some new guys a W on their CV's.

                              Foster is snookered now and fighting for his job, so it breeds conservative selections and paralysis with subs.

                              Such as Perofeta getting 50 seconds.

                              We could have saved our selves the lawyers fees and capped a one kneed Fakatava last year if we are only giving lads 50 seconds.

                              Foster doesn't seem to have a clue how to right the ship. Which is how he got here in the first place. No one on the board comes out of this looking good

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                                1. Aaron
                                2. Beaudy
                                3. Clarke
                                4. Jordie
                                5. Rieko
                                6. Reece
                                7. Jordan

                                That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

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                                @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                1. Aaron
                                2. Beaudy
                                3. Clarke
                                4. Jordie
                                5. Rieko
                                6. Reece
                                7. Jordan

                                That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

                                Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.

                                Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.

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                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

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                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

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                                    @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

                                    ouch

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                                      To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.

                                      While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.

                                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/08/rugby-championship-more-to-come-from-stephen-perofeta-despite-brief-all-blacks-debut-says-teammate-rieko-ioane.html

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                                      • TimT Tim

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

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                                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

                                        I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .

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                                        • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

                                          I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .

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                                          @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129711574/how-the-all-blacks-have-become-the-new-wallabies

                                          I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .

                                          They do run deeper for sure.But a fresh coach with new ideas game plans,Tactics may refresh the players.

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