All Blacks 2022
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2022:
Gotta say I've been really confused by the number of people on here who think Barrett is some sort of solution at 6. Putting him there lost us the world cup, and I just haven't seen anything that suggests it has become a good idea. Insisting on a lightweight 8 isn't going to be fixed by playing a lock at 6.
Yep. SB looks to be developing well at lock and his last few games have been relatively good. Use him there and as an option to cover 6.
Could we give Vaii and Scot Barrett a go together?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@reprobate if it were me, I'd be handing Vaai a start, we need to start blooding these young guys.
We are running SB & SW into the ground, and if they are gonna make the RWC, we need some people to take some decent minutes.
Agreed. We no longer have the luxury of getting on top of an opposition in either a game or series to give new players serious game time.
I think right now, giving these guys experience is a priority.
100% .
I didn't know what Fletcher Newell looked like 3 weeks ago and he is already bordering on undroppable.
Get them in for fuck sake.
Plenty of the current crop have had too many chances.
Fakatava needs a start and to be left out there for minimum 60 minutes. Same with Vaii, Papalii, Sotutu for a start.
I have no idea why an Umaga Jensen brother is not in the squad.
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Was it a mistake to not have a traditional soft touch before the Irish series?
A Fiji or a Tonga to put 50 points on and give some new guys a W on their CV's.
Foster is snookered now and fighting for his job, so it breeds conservative selections and paralysis with subs.
Such as Perofeta getting 50 seconds.
We could have saved our selves the lawyers fees and capped a one kneed Fakatava last year if we are only giving lads 50 seconds.
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Was it a mistake to not have a traditional soft touch before the Irish series?
A Fiji or a Tonga to put 50 points on and give some new guys a W on their CV's.
Foster is snookered now and fighting for his job, so it breeds conservative selections and paralysis with subs.
Such as Perofeta getting 50 seconds.
We could have saved our selves the lawyers fees and capped a one kneed Fakatava last year if we are only giving lads 50 seconds.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
Was it a mistake to not have a traditional soft touch before the Irish series?
A Fiji or a Tonga to put 50 points on and give some new guys a W on their CV's.
Foster is snookered now and fighting for his job, so it breeds conservative selections and paralysis with subs.
Such as Perofeta getting 50 seconds.
We could have saved our selves the lawyers fees and capped a one kneed Fakatava last year if we are only giving lads 50 seconds.
Foster doesn't seem to have a clue how to right the ship. Which is how he got here in the first place. No one on the board comes out of this looking good
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- Aaron
- Beaudy
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
- Aaron
- Beaudy
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.
Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.
Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.
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To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
They do run deeper for sure.But a fresh coach with new ideas game plans,Tactics may refresh the players.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
There really is no point saying 'it is not just the coach'. We know that, the Board and CEO are incompetent. But you have to start somewhere!
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
There really is no point saying 'it is not just the coach'. We know that, the Board and CEO are incompetent. But you have to start somewhere!
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I’ve been worried for a while , while it might still be be an improvement , our issues may run a bit deeper than just swapping out the coach .
There really is no point saying 'it is not just the coach'. We know that, the Board and CEO are incompetent. But you have to start somewhere!
Yeah I’m not arguing against making those changes , just worried overall at the broader picture .
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To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
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@taniwharugby Perofeta was born in Wanganui wasn't he?
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby Perofeta was born in Wanganui wasn't he?
No.
Whanganui -
To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
If he hadn't got an AB call up. I would expect the upcoming All Blacks XV matches would do that anyway, so moot.
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
Apart from being a locally born and bred player anyway.
Anyway, as you suggest, I think the article author just invented (or misinterpreted) that detractor angle himself.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
If he hadn't got an AB call up. I would expect the upcoming All Blacks XV matches would do that anyway, so moot.
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
Apart from being a locally born and bred player anyway.
Anyway, as you suggest, I think the article author just invented (or misinterpreted) that detractor angle himself.
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
If he hadn't got an AB call up. I would expect the upcoming All Blacks XV matches would do that anyway, so moot.
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
Apart from being a locally born and bred player anyway.
Anyway, as you suggest, I think the article author just invented (or misinterpreted) that detractor angle himself.
ABs XV hasn't been declared to WR as second team
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.
While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.
If he hadn't got an AB call up. I would expect the upcoming All Blacks XV matches would do that anyway, so moot.
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
Apart from being a locally born and bred player anyway.
Anyway, as you suggest, I think the article author just invented (or misinterpreted) that detractor angle himself.
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team,
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@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team,
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs) -
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.
