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  • RapidoR Rapido

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

    To me the critics of him getting 50 sec are more that he should have had more time, rather than a token minute when the game was gone...I expect the comments about him getting a cap to stop him turning out for Samoa are likely coming from overseas.

    While detractors suggest Perofeta's debut was merely a means of stopping him playing for Samoa - he must now serve a three-year stand down period to become eligible again - Ioane is adamant Perofeta has a huge future as an All Black.

    If he hadn't got an AB call up. I would expect the upcoming All Blacks XV matches would do that anyway, so moot.

    Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

    Apart from being a locally born and bred player anyway.

    Anyway, as you suggest, I think the article author just invented (or misinterpreted) that detractor angle himself.

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    @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

    Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

    And yes, I am correct. As usual.

    1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

    8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

    (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team,

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    • RapidoR Rapido

      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

      Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

      And yes, I am correct. As usual.

      1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

      8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

      (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team,

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      #3797

      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

      Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

      And yes, I am correct. As usual.

      1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

      8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

      (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

      I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
      Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
      Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
      Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
      Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
      (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

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      • CrucialC Crucial

        @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

        Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

        And yes, I am correct. As usual.

        1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

        8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

        (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

        I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
        Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
        Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
        Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
        Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
        (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

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        #3798

        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

        Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

        And yes, I am correct. As usual.

        1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

        8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

        (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

        I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
        Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
        Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
        Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
        Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
        (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

        I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

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        • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

          Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

          And yes, I am correct. As usual.

          1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

          8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

          (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

          I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
          Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
          Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
          Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
          Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
          (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

          I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

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          wrote on last edited by
          #3799

          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

          @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

          Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

          And yes, I am correct. As usual.

          1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

          8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

          (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

          I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
          Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
          Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
          Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
          Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
          (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

          I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

          Yip. "is present at the Match" is legalese for saying you are cap-tied as soon as the first pine splinter touches the arse of your AB tracksuit.

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          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

            @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

            Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

            And yes, I am correct. As usual.

            1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

            8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

            (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

            I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
            Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
            Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
            Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
            Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
            (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

            I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

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            #3800

            @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

            @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

            Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

            And yes, I am correct. As usual.

            1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

            8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

            (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

            I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
            Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
            Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
            Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
            Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
            (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

            I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

            ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

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            • CrucialC Crucial

              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

              Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

              And yes, I am correct. As usual.

              1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

              8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

              (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

              I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
              Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
              Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
              Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
              Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
              (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

              I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

              ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

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              wrote on last edited by Rapido
              #3801

              @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

              @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

              Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

              And yes, I am correct. As usual.

              1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

              8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

              (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

              I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
              Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
              Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
              Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
              Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
              (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

              I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

              ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

              That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.

              That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                Speaking of Schmidt.

                https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1564010978626371586

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                #3802

                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                Speaking of Schmidt.

                https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1564010978626371586

                this is interesting, i thought the offloads by our fatties were one of the things that gave our backs a second more time and a fraction more space to do something against the boks, they couldn't completely commit to the rush because we kept options open, dropping that was a mistake in my mind

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                • S Steve

                  @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                  1. Aaron
                  2. Beaudy
                  3. Clarke
                  4. Jordie
                  5. Rieko
                  6. Reece
                  7. Jordan

                  That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

                  Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.

                  Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.

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                  #3803

                  @Steve said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                  1. Aaron
                  2. Beaudy
                  3. Clarke
                  4. Jordie
                  5. Rieko
                  6. Reece
                  7. Jordan

                  That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

                  Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.

                  Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.

                  That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.

                  But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.

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                  • RapidoR Rapido

                    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

                    And yes, I am correct. As usual.

                    1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

                    8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

                    (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

                    I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
                    Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
                    Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
                    Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
                    Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
                    (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

                    I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

                    ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

                    That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.

                    That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.

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                    Crucial
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #3804

                    @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

                    And yes, I am correct. As usual.

                    1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

                    8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

                    (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

                    I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
                    Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
                    Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
                    Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
                    Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
                    (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

                    I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

                    ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

                    That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.

                    That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.

                    They could also write present and available to play.

                    It is either over-written (quite possible) or is intended to mean selected and you take part as a replacement/sub/playing member.

                    Typical lawyer shit leaving some wriggle room for interpretation so they can clock up future fees.

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                    • CrucialC Crucial

                      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                      Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

                      And yes, I am correct. As usual.

                      1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

                      8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

                      (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

                      I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
                      Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
                      Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
                      Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
                      Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
                      (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

                      I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

                      ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

                      That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.

                      That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.

                      They could also write present and available to play.

                      It is either over-written (quite possible) or is intended to mean selected and you take part as a replacement/sub/playing member.

                      Typical lawyer shit leaving some wriggle room for interpretation so they can clock up future fees.

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                      #3805

                      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:

                      Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.

                      And yes, I am correct. As usual.

                      1. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS

                      8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:

                      (a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,

                      I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
                      Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
                      Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
                      Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
                      Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
                      (I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)

                      I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.

                      ....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.

                      That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.

                      That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.

                      They could also write present and available to play.

                      It is either over-written (quite possible) or is intended to mean selected and you take part as a replacement/sub/playing member.

                      Typical lawyer shit leaving some wriggle room for interpretation so they can clock up future fees.

                      What if he was picked in the 23 on Tuesday, but got pissed on Thursday night and broke curfew , was replaced in the 23, but he was still technically available, was still present at the match in the squad seating area, but wearing his number ones and not a tracksuit.

                      Or, he had a personal bereavement etc late in the week meaning he was relegated from the 23 for personal reasons but still turned up by game day. But no longer in the 23.

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                        @Steve said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                        1. Aaron
                        2. Beaudy
                        3. Clarke
                        4. Jordie
                        5. Rieko
                        6. Reece
                        7. Jordan

                        That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

                        Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.

                        Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.

                        That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.

                        But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.

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                        @dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @Steve said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                        1. Aaron
                        2. Beaudy
                        3. Clarke
                        4. Jordie
                        5. Rieko
                        6. Reece
                        7. Jordan

                        That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

                        Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.

                        Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.

                        That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.

                        But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.

                        I'm saddened to say I agree.

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                          @dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Steve said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                          1. Aaron
                          2. Beaudy
                          3. Clarke
                          4. Jordie
                          5. Rieko
                          6. Reece
                          7. Jordan

                          That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

                          Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.

                          Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.

                          That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.

                          But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.

                          I'm saddened to say I agree.

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                          @nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.

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                            @nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.

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                            @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from an injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.

                            Last I heard for Moody was 2023
                            Only thing I read for Blackadder was 2023 season
                            https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-media-advisory-ethan-blackadder-injury-update

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                              @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from an injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.

                              Last I heard for Moody was 2023
                              Only thing I read for Blackadder was 2023 season
                              https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-media-advisory-ethan-blackadder-injury-update

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                              @nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?

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                                Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)

                                Photo from 24 August.

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                                  @nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?

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                                  @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?

                                  Others will be far better informed. I read that PPP was aiming for NPC season but this doesn't seem promising https://www.allblacks.com/news/season-preview-bunnings-npc-2022/
                                  Outs: Ethan Blackadder, Andrew Knewstubb, Jacob Norris, Mark Telea, Tom Marshall, Tim O’Malley, Taina Fox-Matamua, Isileli Tuungafasi, Regan Ware, Pari Pari Parkinson

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                                    Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)

                                    Photo from 24 August.

                                    d05e40bd-2e12-44a6-9f8a-d19f529fa6f0-image.png

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                                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)

                                    Photo from 24 August.

                                    d05e40bd-2e12-44a6-9f8a-d19f529fa6f0-image.png

                                    you mean ruled out for 2022 only I hope?

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                                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                      @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)

                                      Photo from 24 August.

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                                      you mean ruled out for 2022 only I hope?

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                                      @nostrildamus Uhm, yes. :man_facepalming_medium_skin_tone:

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                                        @nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?

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                                        @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        Jona Nareki?

                                        Nareki, not this year
                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-prospect-jona-nareki-set-for-lengthy-sideline-stint/ Was he seriously in AB contention?

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                                        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                          @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          Jona Nareki?

                                          Nareki, not this year
                                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-prospect-jona-nareki-set-for-lengthy-sideline-stint/ Was he seriously in AB contention?

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                                          @nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.

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