All Blacks 2022
-
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.
....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.
That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.
That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.
....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.
That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.
That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.
They could also write present and available to play.
It is either over-written (quite possible) or is intended to mean selected and you take part as a replacement/sub/playing member.
Typical lawyer shit leaving some wriggle room for interpretation so they can clock up future fees.
-
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.
....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.
That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.
That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.
They could also write present and available to play.
It is either over-written (quite possible) or is intended to mean selected and you take part as a replacement/sub/playing member.
Typical lawyer shit leaving some wriggle room for interpretation so they can clock up future fees.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rapido said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyway, unless the rules have changed (quite likely, as they are getting changed all the time). Being on the bench 23 was enough to cap-tie you anyway. So, also possibly moot.
And yes, I am correct. As usual.
- ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS
8.3 For the purposes of this Regulation, a Player is deemed to have played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of a Union if:
(a) The Player is selected for such team to play in an International Match against the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team of another Union (or in a fifteen-a-side international Match against another Union’s senior or next senior Touring Squad during a World Rugby approved International Tour) and is present at the Match played by that team either as a replacement, substitute or a playing member of that team ,
I read that differently. God knows what the intention is or why it can't be spelled out clearly.
Are you a 'replacement' if you don't replace someone?
Are you a 'substitute' if you don't sub for someone?
Are you a 'playing member' if you don't play?
Certainly lots of room there for a legal argument.
(I am assuming that a replacement is for non tactical subs eg HIA and Sub is for tactical subs)I know what you mean, but I would hazard a guess the term 'present' as a replacement etc suggests they don't have to take the field.
....followed by 'and' before the list of participation descriptions. If it is simply that you are selected and are present they could stop writing at that point.
That would mean a guy selected but then injured in training and not suiting up would be cap-tied.
That is only reason for that "and" that I can think of.
They could also write present and available to play.
It is either over-written (quite possible) or is intended to mean selected and you take part as a replacement/sub/playing member.
Typical lawyer shit leaving some wriggle room for interpretation so they can clock up future fees.
What if he was picked in the 23 on Tuesday, but got pissed on Thursday night and broke curfew , was replaced in the 23, but he was still technically available, was still present at the match in the squad seating area, but wearing his number ones and not a tracksuit.
Or, he had a personal bereavement etc late in the week meaning he was relegated from the 23 for personal reasons but still turned up by game day. But no longer in the 23.
-
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
- Aaron
- Beaudy
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.
Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.
Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.
That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.
But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
- Aaron
- Beaudy
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.
Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.
Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.
That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.
But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.
I'm saddened to say I agree.
-
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
- Aaron
- Beaudy
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.
Picking from the current squad that backline is about as good as it gets I think.
Aaron is on thin ice though and Rieko isn't a centre but will have to do.
That proposed backline pretty much epitomises what is wrong with our team - well apart from a toothless pack.
But it's a backline of highlights reel players not a functional backline who can play disciplined effective test rugby. We can no longer win the big (any) test playing off the cuff stuff and feeding off the oppositions mistakes. The players aren't good enough and we're the ones making the mistakes.
I'm saddened to say I agree.
-
@nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from an injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.
Last I heard for Moody was 2023
Only thing I read for Blackadder was 2023 season
https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-media-advisory-ethan-blackadder-injury-update -
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Any news on players coming back from an injury like Joe Moody and Ethan Blackadder. Blackadder dislocated his shoulder in late June and recovery time is supposed to be around 3 months.
Last I heard for Moody was 2023
Only thing I read for Blackadder was 2023 season
https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-media-advisory-ethan-blackadder-injury-update@nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?
-
@nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?
Others will be far better informed. I read that PPP was aiming for NPC season but this doesn't seem promising https://www.allblacks.com/news/season-preview-bunnings-npc-2022/
Outs: Ethan Blackadder, Andrew Knewstubb, Jacob Norris, Mark Telea, Tom Marshall, Tim O’Malley, Taina Fox-Matamua, Isileli Tuungafasi, Regan Ware, Pari Pari Parkinson -
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
you mean ruled out for 2022 only I hope?
-
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
you mean ruled out for 2022 only I hope?
@nostrildamus Uhm, yes. :man_facepalming_medium_skin_tone:
-
@nostrildamus Any news on Pari Pari Parkinson or Jona Nareki?
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
Jona Nareki?
Nareki, not this year
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-prospect-jona-nareki-set-for-lengthy-sideline-stint/ Was he seriously in AB contention? -
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
Jona Nareki?
Nareki, not this year
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-prospect-jona-nareki-set-for-lengthy-sideline-stint/ Was he seriously in AB contention?@nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.
-
@nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.
@Stargazer Wonder if there are any new signings for Super rugby teams in 2023 of returning Kiwis from overseas on overseas players.
-
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
-
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
-
I think over the dominant period from the 2000's on we started to love the smell of our own farts and got a bit too altruistic with our time and I.P. Inviting Roy Keane down to see how we coach for example. Books like "legacy" being written.
I also do not understand why we let so many outsiders into the environment to get a look at how we operate over the last 15 years or so.
The likes of O'Gara, Matera, Haskell.
Players who go on sabbaticals should be told not to come back.
Coaches who go abroad should be fucked off too.
If you aren't onboard with NZ as a project then do-one.
-
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
I like Blackadder, but that's an odd compilation. It starts with him arguably enyering the ruck from the side , follows up with an ineffective clean, then cuts to him getting stepped and bailed our by Beaudy in cover...amd that's just the first 30 seconds!
-
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
I like Blackadder, but that's an odd compilation. It starts with him arguably enyering the ruck from the side , follows up with an ineffective clean, then cuts to him getting stepped and bailed our by Beaudy in cover...amd that's just the first 30 seconds!
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
I like Blackadder, but that's an odd compilation. It starts with him arguably enyering the ruck from the side , follows up with an ineffective clean, then cuts to him getting stepped and bailed our by Beaudy in cover...amd that's just the first 30 seconds!
he was everywhere that day. plenty of mongrel too.
-
I think over the dominant period from the 2000's on we started to love the smell of our own farts and got a bit too altruistic with our time and I.P. Inviting Roy Keane down to see how we coach for example. Books like "legacy" being written.
I also do not understand why we let so many outsiders into the environment to get a look at how we operate over the last 15 years or so.
The likes of O'Gara, Matera, Haskell.
Players who go on sabbaticals should be told not to come back.
Coaches who go abroad should be fucked off too.
If you aren't onboard with NZ as a project then do-one.
We definetly have some talented youngsters coming through the system. The Under 20s this year were very impressive in the Oceania Cup. Hopefully Silverlake poors more resources into the Under 20s. The loss of talent abroad both coaching and players is having an effect as that is a contributing factor in the growing performance of the Northern Hemisphere. We have also poored a lot into the Japanese game. We need that talent back in New Zealand to strengthen our game instead of developing other nations at the expense of ours.
-
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
I like Blackadder, but that's an odd compilation. It starts with him arguably enyering the ruck from the side , follows up with an ineffective clean, then cuts to him getting stepped and bailed our by Beaudy in cover...amd that's just the first 30 seconds!
he was everywhere that day. plenty of mongrel too.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Blackadder is training with the Mako again, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near making a return. (I also remember they said he was ruled out for 2023)
Photo from 24 August.
We really missed him. I think he is the future. workmate is phenomenal and puts a few of the sunshine boys in the forward pack to shame.
Future AB captain ? Him or Papalii?
I like Blackadder, but that's an odd compilation. It starts with him arguably enyering the ruck from the side , follows up with an ineffective clean, then cuts to him getting stepped and bailed our by Beaudy in cover...amd that's just the first 30 seconds!
he was everywhere that day. plenty of mongrel too.
I don't disagree, just making the point that the compilation doesn't capture any of that! Personally I would have left out the infringements and inneffective cleans...
