Foster, Robertson etc
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@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
@Winger Ive read comments from Irish supporters and I guess the feeling is a bit mixed when it comes to Joe , overall they are happy with some of the success he brought but there is still some negative stuff to go with that ,
Basically it goes along the line of- he was great for a while , then we got worked out and everyone knew what was coming , he didnt seem to have an answer and just kept recycling the same stuff
Yeah that's my feedback as well. He was great at finally making them consistent but it was a highly attritional style of play that bit them on the arse in 2019. Farrell has injected some much needed innovation and taken them to another level. It concerns me greatly that we seem to have inherited a guy who is considered past his use by date.
@Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.
The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
@Winger Ive read comments from Irish supporters and I guess the feeling is a bit mixed when it comes to Joe , overall they are happy with some of the success he brought but there is still some negative stuff to go with that ,
Basically it goes along the line of- he was great for a while , then we got worked out and everyone knew what was coming , he didnt seem to have an answer and just kept recycling the same stuff
Yeah that's my feedback as well. He was great at finally making them consistent but it was a highly attritional style of play that bit them on the arse in 2019. Farrell has injected some much needed innovation and taken them to another level. It concerns me greatly that we seem to have inherited a guy who is considered past his use by date.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
@Winger Ive read comments from Irish supporters and I guess the feeling is a bit mixed when it comes to Joe , overall they are happy with some of the success he brought but there is still some negative stuff to go with that ,
Basically it goes along the line of- he was great for a while , then we got worked out and everyone knew what was coming , he didnt seem to have an answer and just kept recycling the same stuff
Yeah that's my feedback as well. He was great at finally making them consistent but it was a highly attritional style of play that bit them on the arse in 2019. Farrell has injected some much needed innovation and taken them to another level. It concerns me greatly that we seem to have inherited a guy who is considered past his use by date.
I was really impressed that Farrell took the basic building blocks (which were good) but further honed them (where needed).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.
The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.
The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.
I guess it depends on what his role is. Given what we saw from Ireland, I'm not certain attack coach is quite his jam.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.
The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.
I guess it depends on what his role is. Given what we saw from Ireland, I'm not certain attack coach is quite his jam.
@Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work
But this part is what you are pointing at
But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work
But this part is what you are pointing at
But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work
But this part is what you are pointing at
But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.
Well Barrett can't really say anything else can he?.Even if he has doubts.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work
But this part is what you are pointing at
But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.
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Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?
or what was his role there ?
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@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?
Him and Halangahu
Officially Schmidt was a consultant and Halangahu a skills coach. There was a big improvement on attack from 2021
@kiwiinmelb said in Foster:
Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?
Him and Halangahu
yeah ok i missed a lot of SR this year , but from what I saw Blues looked great in attack ( trying to be glass half full )
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His attack already worked well with NZ players in SR
It was hardly limited for the Blues
1st Points scored
1st Clean breaks
1st Tries scored
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@Duluth yeah he is probably best placed to comment on it having worked with Schmidt for a while...that said, trying new patterns and set up while confidence is low won't help.
Also, maybe it suits some players more than others?
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This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.
Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.
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NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.
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Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.
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Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.
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England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.
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The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.
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This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.
Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.
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NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.
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Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.
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Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.
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England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.
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The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.
@sparky Well if this is true then I am watching soccer.
NZR are useless. I love the ABs but hope they lose this weekend and the Bled.
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Gregor Paul is slightly speculating that Razor would want a mass-cleanout, but it is probably a pretty good educated guess.
I think if the ABs keep losing, NZR will try and persuade Schmidt to take over.
Schmidt would likely keep everyone else on. The fact Schmidt is there lowers Razor's chances of becoming head coach.This might be acceptable looking ass-covering for those at the top without any mass-cleanout being instituted (upon them)
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The ass covering has to stop.
Start using the best SR coach.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@reprobate Not disputing his ability to pass just questioning the way he’s directing the forward pack.
And the fact he doesn't run, he is a one trick pony, he's the Pocock of nines ATM
He ran in Bokke 2. You don't have to run often, once or twice to keep defences thinking it's a possibility.
Also, we didn't hear 'one trick pony' after Ireland 1.
You know what you get with AS, he's got teh best pass in the game, but if he's not running it's on the coaches eventually.
You can only run at halfback when you get quick ball with the defence on the backfoot. If he's not getting either of those it is a crazy expectation.
@Machpants said in Foster:
@reprobate Not disputing his ability to pass just questioning the way he’s directing the forward pack.
And the fact he doesn't run, he is a one trick pony, he's the Pocock of nines ATM
He ran in Bokke 2. You don't have to run often, once or twice to keep defences thinking it's a possibility.
Also, we didn't hear 'one trick pony' after Ireland 1.
You know what you get with AS, he's got teh best pass in the game, but if he's not running it's on the coaches eventually.
You can only run at halfback when you get quick ball with the defence on the backfoot. If he's not getting either of those it is a crazy expectation.
Will Genia says "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????"
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.
He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.
Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.
He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.
Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.
Give Christie a start. Can it be worse that what it is right now?
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Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
