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  • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

    @taniwharugby said in Foster:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel dunno, right now having some structure & consistency sounds mighty fine to me...cos the 2nd half of that test, and the 1st of the 3rd Irish test are up there as some of the worst AB rugby I have seen where nothing went right and basic skills went out the window.

    The pressure form the opposition, the pressure from themselves, the pressure simply to perform is immense, and they are failing at almost every turn right now.

    I guess it depends on what his role is. Given what we saw from Ireland, I'm not certain attack coach is quite his jam.

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    #3251

    @Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work

    But this part is what you are pointing at

    But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/08/rugby-championship-ian-foster-joe-schmidt-partnership-will-bear-fruit-for-all-blacks-attack-predicts-beauden-barrett.html

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    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

      @Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work

      But this part is what you are pointing at

      But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/08/rugby-championship-ian-foster-joe-schmidt-partnership-will-bear-fruit-for-all-blacks-attack-predicts-beauden-barrett.html

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      @taniwharugby said in Foster:

      @Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work

      But this part is what you are pointing at

      But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/08/rugby-championship-ian-foster-joe-schmidt-partnership-will-bear-fruit-for-all-blacks-attack-predicts-beauden-barrett.html

      Well Barrett can't really say anything else can he?.Even if he has doubts.

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        Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?

        or what was his role there ?

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        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

          @Rancid-Schnitzel Beaudy thinks it'll work

          But this part is what you are pointing at

          But while Schmidt's attacking style with Ireland - and Leinster before that - was built on pragmatism rather than flair, Barrett is also confident the All Blacks can add a dimension under his tutelage.

          https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/08/rugby-championship-ian-foster-joe-schmidt-partnership-will-bear-fruit-for-all-blacks-attack-predicts-beauden-barrett.html

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          @taniwharugby

          His attack already worked well with NZ players in SR

          It was hardly limited for the Blues

          1st Points scored
          1st Clean breaks
          1st Tries scored
          2nd Offloads
          3rd Defenders beaten

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          • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

            Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?

            or what was his role there ?

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            #3255

            @kiwiinmelb said in Foster:

            Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?

            Him and Halangahu

            Officially Schmidt was a consultant and Halangahu a skills coach. There was a big improvement on attack from 2021

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            • DuluthD Duluth

              @kiwiinmelb said in Foster:

              Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?

              Him and Halangahu

              Officially Schmidt was a consultant and Halangahu a skills coach. There was a big improvement on attack from 2021

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              @Duluth said in Foster:

              @kiwiinmelb said in Foster:

              Was he attack coach with the Blues this year ?

              Him and Halangahu

              yeah ok i missed a lot of SR this year , but from what I saw Blues looked great in attack ( trying to be glass half full )

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              • DuluthD Duluth

                @taniwharugby

                His attack already worked well with NZ players in SR

                It was hardly limited for the Blues

                1st Points scored
                1st Clean breaks
                1st Tries scored
                2nd Offloads
                3rd Defenders beaten

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                taniwharugby
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                @Duluth yeah he is probably best placed to comment on it having worked with Schmidt for a while...that said, trying new patterns and set up while confidence is low won't help.

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  @Duluth yeah he is probably best placed to comment on it having worked with Schmidt for a while...that said, trying new patterns and set up while confidence is low won't help.

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                  @taniwharugby

                  Also, maybe it suits some players more than others?

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                      #3260

                      This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.

                      Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.

                      • NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.

                      • Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.

                      • Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.

                      • England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.

                      • The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.

                        Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.

                        • NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.

                        • Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.

                        • Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.

                        • England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.

                        • The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.

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                        @sparky Well if this is true then I am watching soccer.
                        NZR are useless. I love the ABs but hope they lose this weekend and the Bled.
                        Pathetic if true

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                          Gregor Paul is slightly speculating that Razor would want a mass-cleanout, but it is probably a pretty good educated guess.

                          I think if the ABs keep losing, NZR will try and persuade Schmidt to take over.
                          Schmidt would likely keep everyone else on. The fact Schmidt is there lowers Razor's chances of becoming head coach.

                          This might be acceptable looking ass-covering for those at the top without any mass-cleanout being instituted (upon them)

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                            NZR are totally screwing the pooch. Foster is not the cause, he is just another symptom. Losing Razor will be another one

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                              The ass covering has to stop.
                              Start using the best SR coach.
                              They are saving a few pennies and destroying the brand

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                              • CrucialC Crucial

                                @nzzp said in Foster:

                                @Machpants said in Foster:

                                @broughie said in Foster:

                                @reprobate Not disputing his ability to pass just questioning the way he’s directing the forward pack.

                                And the fact he doesn't run, he is a one trick pony, he's the Pocock of nines ATM

                                He ran in Bokke 2. You don't have to run often, once or twice to keep defences thinking it's a possibility.

                                Also, we didn't hear 'one trick pony' after Ireland 1.

                                You know what you get with AS, he's got teh best pass in the game, but if he's not running it's on the coaches eventually.

                                You can only run at halfback when you get quick ball with the defence on the backfoot. If he's not getting either of those it is a crazy expectation.

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                                @Crucial said in Foster:

                                @nzzp said in Foster:

                                @Machpants said in Foster:

                                @broughie said in Foster:

                                @reprobate Not disputing his ability to pass just questioning the way he’s directing the forward pack.

                                And the fact he doesn't run, he is a one trick pony, he's the Pocock of nines ATM

                                He ran in Bokke 2. You don't have to run often, once or twice to keep defences thinking it's a possibility.

                                Also, we didn't hear 'one trick pony' after Ireland 1.

                                You know what you get with AS, he's got teh best pass in the game, but if he's not running it's on the coaches eventually.

                                You can only run at halfback when you get quick ball with the defence on the backfoot. If he's not getting either of those it is a crazy expectation.

                                Will Genia says "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????"

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                                • antipodeanA antipodean

                                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:

                                  @Damo said in Foster:

                                  Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.

                                  He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.

                                  Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.

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                                  @antipodean said in Foster:

                                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:

                                  @Damo said in Foster:

                                  Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.

                                  He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.

                                  Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.

                                  Give Christie a start. Can it be worse that what it is right now?

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                                  • S Steve

                                    Think about who the leadership group are

                                    Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved

                                    Quiet diminutive fellas .

                                    Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.

                                    Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .

                                    We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.

                                    It’s a shambles

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                                    @Steve said in Foster:

                                    Think about who the leadership group are

                                    Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved

                                    Quiet diminutive fellas .

                                    Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.

                                    Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .

                                    We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.

                                    It’s a shambles

                                    You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.

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                                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                      @Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

                                      Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?

                                      Was kinda important.

                                      If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.

                                      Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?

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                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

                                      @Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:

                                      Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?

                                      Was kinda important.

                                      If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.

                                      Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?

                                      So then it comes back to...what are the Crusaders doing differently to the ABs that make them so successful? They look a million $ in the red and black...

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                                      • sparkyS sparky

                                        This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.

                                        Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.

                                        • NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.

                                        • Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.

                                        • Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.

                                        • England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.

                                        • The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.

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                                        @sparky said in Foster:

                                        This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.

                                        Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.

                                        • NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.

                                        • Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.

                                        • Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.

                                        • England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.

                                        • The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.

                                        Hmmm. Other media sources said Robertson was lined up to take over and only the win in SA stopped it. So someone’s sauces are wrong.

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                                        • broughieB broughie

                                          @Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.

                                          Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?

                                          I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.

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                                          @broughie said in Foster:

                                          @Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.

                                          Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?

                                          I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.

                                          Give me Marshall, Jimmy Cowan or Byron Kelleher tucking it under the arm and pumping the legs into contact. yes boiiiii

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