Bledisloe 2
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
I also want to see RTS play. We'd look like tools if he is the answer, but we never play him to find out.
But the other alternative isn't bad. Beauden Barrett is not a 10 playing at 15. He's a 15 who wants to play at 10. His ability to run from depth is astonishing -- the best part of his game -- and he almost never gets to do it from 10. Meanwhile his game management from 10 is extremely ordinary.
Jordie Barrett plays 12 regularly enough. It's hardly high risk (which is why I think Foster will go that way -- avoiding any risk at all seems to be his selection mantra).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@Victor-Meldrew Ennor will have to be on the bench as centre cover (and wing). He isn't an option at 2nd 5. If RTS doesn't start there is no point him being in the 23.
A JB at 12/BB at 15 combo has less risk than RTS at 12 - particularly if we want to keep the EP record.
Just a pity we haven't been able to blood newer players as much as we would have liked.
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
In an ideal world, I'd agree. But RTS lacks experience in RU and and (over?) caution and sticking to known players seems to be a key selection driver for Foster/Ryan/Schmidt.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
I also want to see RTS play. We'd look like tools if he is the answer, but we never play him to find out.
But the other alternative isn't bad. Beauden Barrett is not a 10 playing at 15. He's a 15 who wants to play at 10. His ability to run from depth is astonishing -- the best part of his game -- and he almost never gets to do it from 10. Meanwhile his game management from 10 is extremely ordinary.
Jordie Barrett plays 12 regularly enough. It's hardly high risk (which is why I think Foster will go that way -- avoiding any risk at all seems to be his selection mantra).
@Chester-Draws said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo said in Bledisloe 2:
I don't see RTS as a risk.
And I question the need to play a 15 at 12 and a 10 at 15.
I also want to see RTS play. We'd look like tools if he is the answer, but we never play him to find out.
But the other alternative isn't bad. Beauden Barrett is not a 10 playing at 15. He's a 15 who wants to play at 10. His ability to run from depth is astonishing -- the best part of his game -- and he almost never gets to do it from 10. Meanwhile his game management from 10 is extremely ordinary.
Jordie Barrett plays 12 regularly enough. It's hardly high risk (which is why I think Foster will go that way -- avoiding any risk at all seems to be his selection mantra).
Just need to tell BB to play his game at 15 instead of complicating by talking about twin pivots
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I was hoping Sotutu was going to do well in Bled. 1 but unfortunately, he was very average. Savea will bring back some go forward and better defense in the wider fat boy channel where the Aussie big boys were targeting.
I have been going on about Clarke's rugby "intelligence" for a long time now. He really needs to work on positioning in defense and attack as well as creating for others. He will come right with experience but in the meantime, I think Reece is a better option. To be fair to Clarke though both he and Jordan are getting lost on defense at times so is it the player or the system? -
Starting JB at 12 is a safer bet than starting RTS at 12. I wouldn’t mind RTS on the bench to tear shit up with 20 mins to go.
I would start Reece on the right wing and Jordan at fullback. That man deserves a crack in his preferred position.
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If we start JB, there will be no 2nd 5 cover unless RTS is on the bench. But he needs time, not ‘make an impact’.
Itd start RTS, since Ennor is in the squad, he goes the bench with Barrett.
I’ve seen Reece cover center as well, so they could start him on the wing and bring Barrett and Jordan off the bench. However, I don’t like the risk of Rieko gets injured as I don’t really think Reece should be more than emergency cover (I.e., 3rd option).
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If we start JB, there will be no 2nd 5 cover unless RTS is on the bench. But he needs time, not ‘make an impact’.
Itd start RTS, since Ennor is in the squad, he goes the bench with Barrett.
I’ve seen Reece cover center as well, so they could start him on the wing and bring Barrett and Jordan off the bench. However, I don’t like the risk of Rieko gets injured as I don’t really think Reece should be more than emergency cover (I.e., 3rd option).
@gt12 funnily enough Reece has played in the midfield for the ABs once and did so for Ta$man and Saders.
Once we lost our two 2nd 5s our set ups at set piece were quite interesting. Beaudie was often in that 2nd 5 position in attack. Defensively Beaudie was at the back. In phase play there was a bit of mix and match between Richie, Jordie and Beaudie on who was at 1st receiver and who was in the secondary line for the next phase.
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@gt12 funnily enough Reece has played in the midfield for the ABs once and did so for Ta$man and Saders.
Once we lost our two 2nd 5s our set ups at set piece were quite interesting. Beaudie was often in that 2nd 5 position in attack. Defensively Beaudie was at the back. In phase play there was a bit of mix and match between Richie, Jordie and Beaudie on who was at 1st receiver and who was in the secondary line for the next phase.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
@gt12 funnily enough Reece has played in the midfield for the ABs once and did so for Ta$man and Saders.
And Reece played most of his schoolboy career in the midfield. I'm not sure they'd trust LF in the midfield just yet.
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I could see Leicester coming in for Clarke and adding 13 cover.
Foster name checked Leicester.
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
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I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
In the starting XV or 23?
There needs to be two new back reserves to replace BB (on the assumption he starts at FB) and Tupaea (injured). RTS can provide 2nd 5 cover only, but that will mean Reece misses out.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
Still a question mark over Ardie’s availability?
He'll be back. Foster made a comment that implied the baby had been born.
The easiest option is JB to 12 and BB to 15, i.e., the backline that played in the 2nd half. I also don't think that the RM-BB combo has worked that well.
Putting RTS at 12, in combination with Ioane, could also be looked at. Less disruption and you still have the aerial strength and big boot of JB at the back. BB to provide impact off the bench.
I think there may also be some tweaks in the reserve forwards like Ofa for Newell.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
The easiest option is JB to 12 and BB to 15, i.e., the backline that played in the 2nd half. I also don't think that the RM-BB combo has worked that well.
Putting RTS at 12, in combination with Ioane, could also be looked at. Less disruption and you still have the aerial strength and big boot of JB at the back. BB to provide impact off the bench.
If they do go for RTS they’ll be tempted to have BB start at 10. A 10/12/13 combo that went well in SR
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
The easiest option is JB to 12 and BB to 15, i.e., the backline that played in the 2nd half. I also don't think that the RM-BB combo has worked that well.
Putting RTS at 12, in combination with Ioane, could also be looked at. Less disruption and you still have the aerial strength and big boot of JB at the back. BB to provide impact off the bench.
If they do go for RTS they’ll be tempted to have BB start at 10. A 10/12/13 combo that went well in SR
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@Duluth with that 10, 12, 13 would you have JB at 15 and stick with the current wings? I think I'd be ok with that midfield if we had Reece in for Clarke.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
I think they'll favour Ennor over Fainga'anuku to provide cover at 12 and 13. It might be Reece and Ennor on the bench, with Jordan as fullback cover if BB has to go off. It's easier to slot someone on the wing than rearrange the midfield - again.
Why make it so complicated when there is only one spot to fill?
Upvote for the bold. But we will need to find a bench replacement too.
