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  • number9N number9

    Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

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    Victor Meldrew
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    @number9 said in Foster:

    Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

    So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

    Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

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    • ChrisC Chris

      @booboo said in Foster:

      @Chris said in Foster:

      @booboo said in Foster:

      So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

      Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

      And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

      Fish and chip paper.

      Close results happen all the time.

      So do shit AB performances this year.

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      @Chris

      Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

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      • D DaGrubster

        @voodoo

        Of course the problem as well is the process and timing when we recruit coaches.

        For me, the brain drain (coaches) has had a bigger effect than the brawn drain (players).

        Meaning we don’t have the same quality coaches as we had and our players are receiving less quality coaching as a result.

        Secondly, our coaches being sought after and coaching elsewhere improved players in other countries and it also means they take a huge amount of IP with them.

        They earn more overseas which makes it hard to come back to NZ and coach here to get back in the system again and push to be an AB coach.

        The Ab head coach role has been a closed shop since 2008 really so it’s no wonder that no overseas based coach progressed at all through the hiring process in 2019.

        It’s why you end up with Fozzie as opposed to Joseph, Rennie etc.

        If the pathway is assistant coach then head coach, then I can’t see a high profile NZ coach coming back for an assistant role.

        At least we managed to secure Brad Moor for a decent fee to come back to coach the ABs 😂

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        @DaGrubster said in Foster:

        Meaning we don’t have the same quality coaches as we had and our players are receiving less quality coaching as a result.

        If you are talking about top-level rugby in NZ overall, you are making a bloody good point.

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        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

          @booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..

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          @nostrildamus said in Foster:

          @booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..

          The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?

          (Asking for a friend)

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          • D DaGrubster

            @Chris

            Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

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            @DaGrubster said in Foster:

            @Chris

            Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

            5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

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            • ChrisC Chris

              @DaGrubster said in Foster:

              @Chris

              Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

              5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

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              #3559

              @Chris said in Foster:

              @DaGrubster said in Foster:

              @Chris

              Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

              5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

              It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.

              Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.

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              • ChrisC Chris

                @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                @Chris

                Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

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                #3560

                @Chris said in Foster:

                @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                @Chris

                Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                3 from 3
                4 from 5

                Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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                  NZRU might need to extend the trophy cabinet if Foster keeps securing silverware at this rate.

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                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                    @number9 said in Foster:

                    Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                    So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                    Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

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                    number9
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                    #3562

                    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                    @number9 said in Foster:

                    Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                    So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                    Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

                    Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
                    Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!

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                    • number9N number9

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                      @number9 said in Foster:

                      Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                      So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                      Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

                      Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
                      Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!

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                      canefan
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                      #3563

                      @number9 said in Foster:

                      @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                      @number9 said in Foster:

                      Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                      So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                      Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

                      Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
                      Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!

                      Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
                      The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him

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                      • number9N number9

                        @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                        @number9 said in Foster:

                        Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                        So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                        Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

                        Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
                        Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!

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                        #3564

                        @number9 said in Foster:

                        Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him

                        Absolute rubbish. Nothing mad about reviewing all the coaching staff and seeking feedback from the players.

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                        • boobooB booboo

                          @Chris said in Foster:

                          @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                          @Chris

                          Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                          5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                          3 from 3
                          4 from 5

                          Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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                          Chris
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                          #3565

                          @booboo said in Foster:

                          @Chris said in Foster:

                          @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                          @Chris

                          Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                          5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                          3 from 3
                          4 from 5

                          Lies, damned lies and statistics.

                          Let's not let statistics get in the way of a good story.

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                          • A ARHS

                            NZRU might need to extend the trophy cabinet if Foster keeps securing silverware at this rate.

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                            Chris B.
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                            #3566

                            @ARHS said in Foster:

                            NZRU might need to extend the trophy cabinet if Foster keeps securing silverware at this rate.

                            Going purely on results - if Fozzie had won one more against Ireland and beaten Argentina, I think most people would have been happy enough with the results this season in isolation.

                            2-1 vs Ireland and a shared series in SA vs the World Champions would have been acceptable.

                            The defeats coming on the back of the EOYT losses - and especially the manner of some of them where we were significantly outplayed put the cat among the pigeons.

                            I think we're definitely better for the coaching changes, but we've got a way to go before we're anything but outsiders for RWC.

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                            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                              @Chris said in Foster:

                              @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                              @Chris

                              Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                              5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                              It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.

                              Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.

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                              Chris
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                              #3567

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                              @Chris said in Foster:

                              @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                              @Chris

                              Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                              5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                              It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.

                              Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.

                              Changing coaching seems to have worked then,I wonder how better we would have been if Foster had gone as well,The assistants seem to be turning it around not the HC.

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                              • canefanC canefan

                                @number9 said in Foster:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                                @number9 said in Foster:

                                Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                                So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                                Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

                                Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
                                Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!

                                Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
                                The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him

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                                Chris
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                                #3568

                                @canefan said in Foster:

                                @number9 said in Foster:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                                @number9 said in Foster:

                                Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                                So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                                Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

                                Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
                                Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!

                                Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
                                The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him

                                100%

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                                • boobooB booboo

                                  @Chris said in Foster:

                                  @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                                  @Chris

                                  Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                                  5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                                  3 from 3
                                  4 from 5

                                  Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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                                  #3569

                                  @booboo said in Foster:

                                  @Chris said in Foster:

                                  @DaGrubster said in Foster:

                                  @Chris

                                  Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

                                  5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.

                                  3 from 3
                                  4 from 5

                                  Lies, damned lies and statistics.

                                  What a turnaround from the Supercoach !

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                                    taniwharugby
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                                    #3570

                                    we have had to witness, what I consider 2 of the very worst halves of rugby in AB history this season (T3 v Ireland, T1 v Argentina)

                                    There are still issues, sure kicking 2 of his assistants has helped tilt that balance back, and I think we will only get better from here, however, given how far we had fallen, will we be able to get back to a level that is good enough to win 3 tough test matches back to back?

                                    I still have massive issues with our defence too, seems to be the only part of our game that has not had a makeover in the past 5 or so years, and we have leaked so many easy points in the past years...sure opposition have gotten better, but our defence is so passive, unstructured and easily broken , how McLeod still has a job is beyond me.

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                                      Donsteppa
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                                      The Chiefs often used to win every game in the second half of the season (usually in time to finish 5th) too 😉

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                                      • A ARHS

                                        @number9 said in Foster:

                                        Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him

                                        Absolute rubbish. Nothing mad about reviewing all the coaching staff and seeking feedback from the players.

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                                        number9
                                        wrote on last edited by number9
                                        #3572

                                        @ARHS said in Foster:

                                        @number9 said in Foster:

                                        Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him

                                        Absolute rubbish. Nothing mad about reviewing all the coaching staff and seeking feedback from the players.

                                        Mate the NZRU undertook a number of reviews because Fozz was failing. There was a restructure Fozzs original assistants, who he selected were replaced.

                                        The new guys have turned the team.around with the same playimg personnel. Get off the Fozzade. I am happy we are winning Schmidt and Ryan have given me the confidence that we will be competitive at the RWC.

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                                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                          @nostrildamus said in Foster:

                                          @booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..

                                          The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?

                                          (Asking for a friend)

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                                          #3573

                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                                          @nostrildamus said in Foster:

                                          @booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..

                                          The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?

                                          (Asking for a friend)

                                          Many? Not my recollection. Care to provide a number/percentage?

                                          My point was Henry's team played against a far superior Wallabies. Care to disagree?

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