Foster, Robertson etc
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Of course the problem as well is the process and timing when we recruit coaches.
For me, the brain drain (coaches) has had a bigger effect than the brawn drain (players).
Meaning we don’t have the same quality coaches as we had and our players are receiving less quality coaching as a result.
Secondly, our coaches being sought after and coaching elsewhere improved players in other countries and it also means they take a huge amount of IP with them.
They earn more overseas which makes it hard to come back to NZ and coach here to get back in the system again and push to be an AB coach.
The Ab head coach role has been a closed shop since 2008 really so it’s no wonder that no overseas based coach progressed at all through the hiring process in 2019.
It’s why you end up with Fozzie as opposed to Joseph, Rennie etc.
If the pathway is assistant coach then head coach, then I can’t see a high profile NZ coach coming back for an assistant role.
At least we managed to secure Brad Moor for a decent fee to come back to coach the ABs
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Meaning we don’t have the same quality coaches as we had and our players are receiving less quality coaching as a result.
If you are talking about top-level rugby in NZ overall, you are making a bloody good point.
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@booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..
The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?
(Asking for a friend)
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Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
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Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts! -
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him -
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts! -
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Let's not let statistics get in the way of a good story.
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NZRU might need to extend the trophy cabinet if Foster keeps securing silverware at this rate.
NZRU might need to extend the trophy cabinet if Foster keeps securing silverware at this rate.
Going purely on results - if Fozzie had won one more against Ireland and beaten Argentina, I think most people would have been happy enough with the results this season in isolation.
2-1 vs Ireland and a shared series in SA vs the World Champions would have been acceptable.
The defeats coming on the back of the EOYT losses - and especially the manner of some of them where we were significantly outplayed put the cat among the pigeons.
I think we're definitely better for the coaching changes, but we've got a way to go before we're anything but outsiders for RWC.
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
Changing coaching seems to have worked then,I wonder how better we would have been if Foster had gone as well,The assistants seem to be turning it around not the HC.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.
So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.
Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?
Not at all. Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him. Razor should be the Head Coach. Remember, Ryan was part of Razor's Team.
Fozzie has a poor record at all levels. Simply put he is NOT.a Head Coach. Schmidt is proven and his influence is.noticeable. Facts!Fozz was stripped of his assistants except for McLeod.
The new assistants appear to be responsible for the improvements because we are playing differently now. It feels like we are improving in spite of him, not because of him100%
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
3 from 3
4 from 5Lies, damned lies and statistics.
What a turnaround from the Supercoach !
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we have had to witness, what I consider 2 of the very worst halves of rugby in AB history this season (T3 v Ireland, T1 v Argentina)
There are still issues, sure kicking 2 of his assistants has helped tilt that balance back, and I think we will only get better from here, however, given how far we had fallen, will we be able to get back to a level that is good enough to win 3 tough test matches back to back?
I still have massive issues with our defence too, seems to be the only part of our game that has not had a makeover in the past 5 or so years, and we have leaked so many easy points in the past years...sure opposition have gotten better, but our defence is so passive, unstructured and easily broken , how McLeod still has a job is beyond me.
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Foster is no genius the changes were mad because it was too expensive for the NZRU to sack him
Absolute rubbish. Nothing mad about reviewing all the coaching staff and seeking feedback from the players.
Mate the NZRU undertook a number of reviews because Fozz was failing. There was a restructure Fozzs original assistants, who he selected were replaced.
The new guys have turned the team.around with the same playimg personnel. Get off the Fozzade. I am happy we are winning Schmidt and Ryan have given me the confidence that we will be competitive at the RWC.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..
The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?
(Asking for a friend)
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..
The same team many here predicted would beat Foster's All Blacks to regain the Bledisloe and win at EP in Bled 2?
(Asking for a friend)
Many? Not my recollection. Care to provide a number/percentage?
My point was Henry's team played against a far superior Wallabies. Care to disagree?
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we have had to witness, what I consider 2 of the very worst halves of rugby in AB history this season (T3 v Ireland, T1 v Argentina)
There are still issues, sure kicking 2 of his assistants has helped tilt that balance back, and I think we will only get better from here, however, given how far we had fallen, will we be able to get back to a level that is good enough to win 3 tough test matches back to back?
I still have massive issues with our defence too, seems to be the only part of our game that has not had a makeover in the past 5 or so years, and we have leaked so many easy points in the past years...sure opposition have gotten better, but our defence is so passive, unstructured and easily broken , how McLeod still has a job is beyond me.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
we have had to witness, what I consider 2 of the very worst halves of rugby in AB history this season (T3 v Ireland, T1 v Argentina)
There are still issues, sure kicking 2 of his assistants has helped tilt that balance back, and I think we will only get better from here, however, given how far we had fallen, will we be able to get back to a level that is good enough to win 3 tough test matches back to back?
I still have massive issues with our defence too, seems to be the only part of our game that has not had a makeover in the past 5 or so years, and we have leaked so many easy points in the past years...sure opposition have gotten better, but our defence is so passive, unstructured and easily broken , how McLeod still has a job is beyond me.
Fire McLeod and install someone who knows shit to take us to the next level
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
Changing coaching seems to have worked then,I wonder how better we would have been if Foster had gone as well,The assistants seem to be turning it around not the HC.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!
5 wins out of the last 11 is not too hot in my book.
It's the direction that's important and what we've seen in the last 4-5 games it's a team which has completely transformed itself from the rabble that was Ireland 2 & 3.
Long way to go, but the omens are way, way better than they were a few months back.
Changing coaching seems to have worked then,I wonder how better we would have been if Foster had gone as well,The assistants seem to be turning it around not the HC.
I have a slightly different view.
Foster's biggest failing hasn't been his coaching ability it has been his loyalty/determination to fix underperformance by giving more chances than he should. That's been at player and coach level. I guess that's his nature.
When his hand is forced (even Sami T coming into the squad last year) he does a pretty good job of making things work in his area.
All the praise toward the backs from last night is being heaped on the players but it was Foster that took what he saw last week and gave them a totally different plan than we have seen recently to make the most of their talents.
He gets there in the end. Just wish that the journey didn't have so many wrong turns and dead ends.
