All Blacks 2022
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie is a shoe in to start against Wales, Scotland and England.
So does Fozzie leave him at 2nd 5 for all or just a couple of those and have a scenario of perhaps Havili playing 12 against Japan and Wales and Jordie against Scotland and England?
Think Foster will be obviously impressed by Jordie at 12 against Oz but that will be tempered by how good or bad he thinks the Oz team actually were - similar to how some on here have attributed the win to a weak opposition, rather that a good AB performance. Foster/Schmidt probably still see Havilli and Reiko as the top pairing until they see more of JB at 12 so wouldn't be surprised to see him there against Japan and one of Scotland or Wales before he's a shoe-in at 12 for Twickenham.
Does Beaudie start at 10 against Japan and and then bench for Wales and then 15 for Scotland and England?
I'd like to see either Perofeta or DMac. BB is a known quantity at 10.
With ALB coming back you could give ALB 13 for Japan and partner with Havili. They played 5 times as a pairing last year against Wales, Boks, Oz and Fiji.
That's a real conundrum. I'd want a fit and firing ALB in my starting team every time, but, with the current midfield permutations, where do you put him?
If Jordie used at 12, ALB to centre and Rieko to a wing.
That would be the worst outcome IMO. They've invested so much with Rieko at 13 and he's shown the development, maturity plus out and out lethal on attack. He's not the finished product and IMO will never be a Conrad Smith but he could be better. If they shift him to the wing now I can't imagine what that will do to his confidence.
Like the front row we are going to have amazing depth at 12/13. Jordie, Havili, RTS at 12 with Goodhue & Tupaea also options. Rieko and ALB primary options at 13.
Come the RWC I want our savviest midfielder on park for 80: that’s ALB.
So ALB/Rieko (or Jack) OR ALB at 13. If Barrett (J) at 12 I definitely want ALB at 13.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie is a shoe in to start against Wales, Scotland and England.
So does Fozzie leave him at 2nd 5 for all or just a couple of those and have a scenario of perhaps Havili playing 12 against Japan and Wales and Jordie against Scotland and England?
Think Foster will be obviously impressed by Jordie at 12 against Oz but that will be tempered by how good or bad he thinks the Oz team actually were - similar to how some on here have attributed the win to a weak opposition, rather that a good AB performance. Foster/Schmidt probably still see Havilli and Reiko as the top pairing until they see more of JB at 12 so wouldn't be surprised to see him there against Japan and one of Scotland or Wales before he's a shoe-in at 12 for Twickenham.
Does Beaudie start at 10 against Japan and and then bench for Wales and then 15 for Scotland and England?
I'd like to see either Perofeta or DMac. BB is a known quantity at 10.
With ALB coming back you could give ALB 13 for Japan and partner with Havili. They played 5 times as a pairing last year against Wales, Boks, Oz and Fiji.
That's a real conundrum. I'd want a fit and firing ALB in my starting team every time, but, with the current midfield permutations, where do you put him?
If Jordie used at 12, ALB to centre and Rieko to a wing.
That would be the worst outcome IMO. They've invested so much with Rieko at 13 and he's shown the development, maturity plus out and out lethal on attack. He's not the finished product and IMO will never be a Conrad Smith but he could be better. If they shift him to the wing now I can't imagine what that will do to his confidence.
Like the front row we are going to have amazing depth at 12/13. Jordie, Havili, RTS at 12 with Goodhue & Tupaea also options. Rieko and ALB primary options at 13.
Come the RWC I want our savviest midfielder on park for 80: that’s ALB.
So ALB/Rieko (or Jack) OR ALB at 13. If Barrett (J) at 12 I definitely want ALB at 13.
I'd definitely, definitely start off with ALB in my starting XV as he's a smart, solid experienced player who rarely has a bad game and give stability. However Foster & Co have seen ALB as the top 13 and that means Reiko missing out at centre where he's done OK and with a bit more work has big potential.
So I'd expect ALB to be on the bench for his first few Tests while the JB at 12 thing is given another run and then see he goes at 12 with Reiko or 13 with JB. After that I think they'll decide on the best combo for RWC2023.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie is a shoe in to start against Wales, Scotland and England.
So does Fozzie leave him at 2nd 5 for all or just a couple of those and have a scenario of perhaps Havili playing 12 against Japan and Wales and Jordie against Scotland and England?
Think Foster will be obviously impressed by Jordie at 12 against Oz but that will be tempered by how good or bad he thinks the Oz team actually were - similar to how some on here have attributed the win to a weak opposition, rather that a good AB performance. Foster/Schmidt probably still see Havilli and Reiko as the top pairing until they see more of JB at 12 so wouldn't be surprised to see him there against Japan and one of Scotland or Wales before he's a shoe-in at 12 for Twickenham.
Does Beaudie start at 10 against Japan and and then bench for Wales and then 15 for Scotland and England?
I'd like to see either Perofeta or DMac. BB is a known quantity at 10.
With ALB coming back you could give ALB 13 for Japan and partner with Havili. They played 5 times as a pairing last year against Wales, Boks, Oz and Fiji.
That's a real conundrum. I'd want a fit and firing ALB in my starting team every time, but, with the current midfield permutations, where do you put him?
If Jordie used at 12, ALB to centre and Rieko to a wing.
That would be the worst outcome IMO. They've invested so much with Rieko at 13 and he's shown the development, maturity plus out and out lethal on attack. He's not the finished product and IMO will never be a Conrad Smith but he could be better. If they shift him to the wing now I can't imagine what that will do to his confidence.
Like the front row we are going to have amazing depth at 12/13. Jordie, Havili, RTS at 12 with Goodhue & Tupaea also options. Rieko and ALB primary options at 13.
Come the RWC I want our savviest midfielder on park for 80: that’s ALB.
So ALB/Rieko (or Jack) OR ALB at 13. If Barrett (J) at 12 I definitely want ALB at 13.
I'd definitely, definitely start off with ALB in my starting XV as he's a smart, solid experienced player who rarely has a bad game and give stability. However Foster & Co have seen ALB as the top 13 and that means Reiko missing out at centre where he's done OK and with a bit more work has big potential.
So I'd expect ALB to be on the bench for his first few Tests while the JB at 12 thing is given another run and then see he goes at 12 with Reiko or 13 with JB. After that I think they'll decide on the best combo for RWC2023.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
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What was ALBs injury? It seems like he's always injured, and when he returns it's only a matter of time before he breaks again. He's a classy player but for mine he's got an awful lot of work to do to break back into the starting 15, and little time to do it. He's a wonderful player to have on the bench though.
What we need to focus on for this RWC is giving Jordie and Rieko as much time as possible together. They are our best 12 and 13 by quite a margin.
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On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
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On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
I should be more specific, it's clear to me Akira is our best 6. For some reason that's not so clear to the coaches, I can only assume Cantab Ryan has the same irrational dislike of Akira as every other Cantab in existence.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
People seem to be ignoring this factor. He needs to demonstrate some form and that opportunity is next years SR.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
I meant that's what I'd do in a ideal world with a fit ALB.
But we don't and, as I said, I'd expect him to be on the bench for 2-3 Tests
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What was ALBs injury? It seems like he's always injured, and when he returns it's only a matter of time before he breaks again. He's a classy player but for mine he's got an awful lot of work to do to break back into the starting 15, and little time to do it. He's a wonderful player to have on the bench though.
What we need to focus on for this RWC is giving Jordie and Rieko as much time as possible together. They are our best 12 and 13 by quite a margin.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
It seems like he's always injured, and when he returns it's only a matter of time before he breaks again.
Is he that injury-prone though? I thought he was pretty much always available until his shoulder injury in he EOYT France game.
He's a wonderful player to have on the bench though.
I think he'll be there for the EOYT.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
People seem to be ignoring this factor. He needs to demonstrate some form and that opportunity is next years SR.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
People seem to be ignoring this factor. He needs to demonstrate some form and that opportunity is next years SR.
Absolutely. Also that Ireland A fixture could be tricky so another experienced head would be valuable for the All Blacks XV
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On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Sounds bit like Adam Thomson. Does a lot but doesn’t achieve much.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Sounds bit like Adam Thomson. Does a lot but doesn’t achieve much.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Sounds bit like Adam Thomson. Does a lot but doesn’t achieve much.
see also: early Michael Hooper
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
Agreed, I’m far from sold on Akira at 6. He was solid in the last test but I thought we looked better when Frizzel was there. He seems to provide a physical edge over Ioane.
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It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
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It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
I think the player that will miss out the most on the end of year tour is Cullen Grace. I would have loved to see him get a crack at International level after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
I think the player that will miss out the most on the end of year tour is Cullen Grace. I would have loved to see him get a crack at International level after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby.
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@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
@Canes4life He's got a broken collarbone. If it's not a bad break he might still be a chance for the ABs XV. A quick google doesn't show many details beyond the original incident - though I can't read the Herald.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
Grace is due to start contact work end of November as it was a fracture.
