All Blacks 2022
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On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
I should be more specific, it's clear to me Akira is our best 6. For some reason that's not so clear to the coaches, I can only assume Cantab Ryan has the same irrational dislike of Akira as every other Cantab in existence.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
People seem to be ignoring this factor. He needs to demonstrate some form and that opportunity is next years SR.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
I meant that's what I'd do in a ideal world with a fit ALB.
But we don't and, as I said, I'd expect him to be on the bench for 2-3 Tests
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What was ALBs injury? It seems like he's always injured, and when he returns it's only a matter of time before he breaks again. He's a classy player but for mine he's got an awful lot of work to do to break back into the starting 15, and little time to do it. He's a wonderful player to have on the bench though.
What we need to focus on for this RWC is giving Jordie and Rieko as much time as possible together. They are our best 12 and 13 by quite a margin.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
It seems like he's always injured, and when he returns it's only a matter of time before he breaks again.
Is he that injury-prone though? I thought he was pretty much always available until his shoulder injury in he EOYT France game.
He's a wonderful player to have on the bench though.
I think he'll be there for the EOYT.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
People seem to be ignoring this factor. He needs to demonstrate some form and that opportunity is next years SR.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
start off with ALB in my starting XV
Maybe next year, no way he can be a starter now. He's not played forever
People seem to be ignoring this factor. He needs to demonstrate some form and that opportunity is next years SR.
Absolutely. Also that Ireland A fixture could be tricky so another experienced head would be valuable for the All Blacks XV
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On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Sounds bit like Adam Thomson. Does a lot but doesn’t achieve much.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Sounds bit like Adam Thomson. Does a lot but doesn’t achieve much.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Sounds bit like Adam Thomson. Does a lot but doesn’t achieve much.
see also: early Michael Hooper
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
On Blackadder, I remember him being very busy but not particularly accurate. Lots of potential there but at this stage it's just that - potential. I think it's clear our best 6 and 8 is Akira and Ardie. Then I don't really mind if it's Cane or Dalton at 7, personally I'd lean towards Dalton but I can see what Cane brings on defense which is important against the bigger teams.
Clear for Ardie at 8.
But about as clear as mud for Akira given there were 2 other starters used when Akira was fit.
Agreed, I’m far from sold on Akira at 6. He was solid in the last test but I thought we looked better when Frizzel was there. He seems to provide a physical edge over Ioane.
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It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
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It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
I think the player that will miss out the most on the end of year tour is Cullen Grace. I would have loved to see him get a crack at International level after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
I think the player that will miss out the most on the end of year tour is Cullen Grace. I would have loved to see him get a crack at International level after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby.
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@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
@Canes4life He's got a broken collarbone. If it's not a bad break he might still be a chance for the ABs XV. A quick google doesn't show many details beyond the original incident - though I can't read the Herald.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
Grace is due to start contact work end of November as it was a fracture.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira. -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
Grace is due to start contact work end of November as it was a fracture.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.Akira was carrying an injury when Frizzel was first picked
