All Blacks 2022
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It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
I think the player that will miss out the most on the end of year tour is Cullen Grace. I would have loved to see him get a crack at International level after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It's not really worth even discussing the idea that anyone is displacing Ardie from 8 except through injury.
Blackadder is a good option for the squad/bench because he can play all three loose forward positions competently and a lot more impactful than being suggested above.
I think the player that will miss out the most on the end of year tour is Cullen Grace. I would have loved to see him get a crack at International level after looking better than both Ioane and Sotutu throughout Super Rugby.
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@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
@Canes4life He's got a broken collarbone. If it's not a bad break he might still be a chance for the ABs XV. A quick google doesn't show many details beyond the original incident - though I can't read the Herald.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
Grace is due to start contact work end of November as it was a fracture.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira. -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life Is he definitely ruled out?
He’s out for the rest of the season isn’t he? I just assumed he was.
Grace is due to start contact work end of November as it was a fracture.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.Akira was carrying an injury when Frizzel was first picked
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Herp the fucking derp let's move the bloke who was arguably our player of the tournament and the ever present feature of our midfield and our most dangerous attacking weapon
Because reasons
This is why democracy does not work
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Herp the fucking derp let's move the bloke who was arguably our player of the tournament and the ever present feature of our midfield and our most dangerous attacking weapon
Because reasons
This is why democracy does not work
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Herp the fucking derp let's move the bloke who was arguably our player of the tournament and the ever present feature of our midfield and our most dangerous attacking weapon
Because reasons
This is why democracy does not work
I don't want Ardie in the 12 jersey either.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
Blackadder to me is not big enough to be a top international 6 or 8. Also can’t see him supplanting Cane or Paps at 7.
The strongest plus is that loosie trios are about balance, and his work rate allows a more seagulling type to be included.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
Blackadder to me is not big enough to be a top international 6 or 8. Also can’t see him supplanting Cane or Paps at 7.
The strongest plus is that loosie trios are about balance, and his work rate allows a more seagulling type to be included.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
Blackadder to me is not big enough to be a top international 6 or 8. Also can’t see him supplanting Cane or Paps at 7.
The strongest plus is that loosie trios are about balance, and his work rate allows a more seagulling type to be included.
Same height as Frizell 1.95 m
And Blackadder is 111kg Frizell 108kg,
he is bigger than people think
And compare that to say a Jeriome Kaino
Who was 1.96 and 110 Kg. -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
Blackadder to me is not big enough to be a top international 6 or 8. Also can’t see him supplanting Cane or Paps at 7.
The strongest plus is that loosie trios are about balance, and his work rate allows a more seagulling type to be included.
Same height as Frizell 1.95 m
And Blackadder is 111kg Frizell 108kg,
he is bigger than people think
And compare that to say a Jeriome Kaino
Who was 1.96 and 110 Kg. -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
Swap Ardie to 8 and Blackadder to 7, I remember Foster praising that combo last season.
Wouldn't be far away as a Combo, Ryan also rates Blackadder highly.
Frizell was also bought in to the playing xv when he was fit, straight over Akira.For me Blackadder jack of all trades, but master of none. Huge work rate. Makes for excellent squaddie, but not same as starter.
One of the more overused terms that barely ever applies. What happens is because of others in the squad they get used around them. Doesn’t mean they aren’t quality in one position.
In Blackadder’s situation he has shown great ability at both 6 and 7 at super rugby level. And last year at test level formed a very good trio with Ardie and Sotutu. But still very much a work in progress at test level given he’s only started 5 tests and come off the bench for another few.
The Jack of all trades label was said for example about Masoe (who was a very good no8) and Toeava (a quality midfielder and his best position but I think was persisted with at fullback for so long because of his boot)
Blackadder to me is not big enough to be a top international 6 or 8. Also can’t see him supplanting Cane or Paps at 7.
The strongest plus is that loosie trios are about balance, and his work rate allows a more seagulling type to be included.
Same height as Frizell 1.95 m
And Blackadder is 111kg Frizell 108kg,
he is bigger than people think
And compare that to say a Jeriome Kaino
Who was 1.96 and 110 Kg. -
@Chris Frizell is not 108kgs!!!
He'll be close on 10kgs heavier than that.
Remember when Foster said he could cover lock.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris Frizell is not 108kgs!!!
He'll be close on 10kgs heavier than that.
Remember when Foster said he could cover lock.
Shannon Michael Frizell is a Tongan born New Zealand rugby union player who plays for Ta$man in the Bunnings NPC and the Highlanders in Super Rugby. His position of choice is flanker. Wikipedia
Born: 11 February 1994 (age 28 years), Tongatapu, Tonga
Height: 1.95 m
Weight: 108 kgAccording to official stats he is or do you personally weight him on your bathroom scales.
So according to you he is 118 Kg no way.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris Frizell is not 108kgs!!!
He'll be close on 10kgs heavier than that.
Remember when Foster said he could cover lock.
Shannon Michael Frizell is a Tongan born New Zealand rugby union player who plays for Ta$man in the Bunnings NPC and the Highlanders in Super Rugby. His position of choice is flanker. Wikipedia
Born: 11 February 1994 (age 28 years), Tongatapu, Tonga
Height: 1.95 m
Weight: 108 kgAccording to official stats he is or do you personally weight him on your bathroom scales.
So according to you he is 118 Kg no way.
