The hot takes and unpopular opinions
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@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Nirvana aren’t bad but they’re still a very clear 5th in terms of bands of that era with dead lead singers behind Stone Temple Pilots, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Jeff Buckley. All of them had better songs and were better singers.
Not to say Nirvana are terrible, far from it, learning their stuff on the guitar definitely helped with the ladies in the mid 90s…….but definitely overrated overall.
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Totally cool not to really be in to nirvana. I wouldn't count them among my favourite bands.
But to deny their importance to the 90s is fucking ridiculous. Their explosion with nevermind changed rock music. All those other 90s bands that were thrn mentioned only got big because of nirvana. Culturally important to my generation
And Heart Shaped Box is a rolled gold banger.
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@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MajorRage said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Heath Ledger is a massively overrated actor.
Classic case of someone dying young and being lauded far beyond his actual talent and achievements.
I agree he's massively overrated, but his performance in Batman #206 was pretty damn good and different to all his other roles.
That last point being a key element of what I define as a good actor; different but believable characters. The opposite of which is Owen Wilson; his acting consists of repeating lines.
I’d rate him way behind Tom Hardy as Bane.
What did he do except that weird tongue thing ?
Convinced me that his character was 100% real. It was a truly outstanding performance worthy of the Oscar it won.
You know it, Hardy was fantastic.
Just confirming that we're talking about the actor wearing a mask and voice synthesizer the entire time?
Yes and the talent still shone through.
He’s also about five foot fuck all but looked enormous.
Heath Ledger wore a nurses uniform.
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@chimoaus said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Yeah Nirvana are good but I haven't heard anyone say they're fucking super since... well the 90s.
A band that was super in the 90s was Rage Against The Machine, fuck me did I have some fun to that bombtrack.
I consider the game changing albums of the 90s to be
Nevermind
Rage Against the Machine, and
Korn(Caveat, rock music only)
I only listen to 1 regularly, and have it in my top 10 favourite albums of all time.
Bullet in the Head is in my top 10 songs of all time.Incredible band
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@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MajorRage said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Heath Ledger is a massively overrated actor.
Classic case of someone dying young and being lauded far beyond his actual talent and achievements.
I agree he's massively overrated, but his performance in Batman #206 was pretty damn good and different to all his other roles.
That last point being a key element of what I define as a good actor; different but believable characters. The opposite of which is Owen Wilson; his acting consists of repeating lines.
I’d rate him way behind Tom Hardy as Bane.
What did he do except that weird tongue thing ?
Convinced me that his character was 100% real. It was a truly outstanding performance worthy of the Oscar it won.
You know it, Hardy was fantastic.
Just confirming that we're talking about the actor wearing a mask and voice synthesizer the entire time?
Yes and the talent still shone through.
He’s also about five foot fuck all but looked enormous.
So the wardrobe department and cinematographer should receive awards..?
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@mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@chimoaus said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Yeah Nirvana are good but I haven't heard anyone say they're fucking super since... well the 90s.
A band that was super in the 90s was Rage Against The Machine, fuck me did I have some fun to that bombtrack.
I consider the game changing albums of the 90s to be
Nevermind
Rage Against the Machine, and
Korn(Caveat, rock music only)
I'd add Dirt.
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@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MajorRage said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Heath Ledger is a massively overrated actor.
Classic case of someone dying young and being lauded far beyond his actual talent and achievements.
I agree he's massively overrated, but his performance in Batman #206 was pretty damn good and different to all his other roles.
That last point being a key element of what I define as a good actor; different but believable characters. The opposite of which is Owen Wilson; his acting consists of repeating lines.
I’d rate him way behind Tom Hardy as Bane.
What did he do except that weird tongue thing ?
Convinced me that his character was 100% real. It was a truly outstanding performance worthy of the Oscar it won.
You know it, Hardy was fantastic.
Just confirming that we're talking about the actor wearing a mask and voice synthesizer the entire time?
Yes and the talent still shone through.
He’s also about five foot fuck all but looked enormous.
So the wardrobe department and cinematographer should receive awards..?
After Tom has his Oscar, yes no probs.
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@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@chimoaus said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Yeah Nirvana are good but I haven't heard anyone say they're fucking super since... well the 90s.
A band that was super in the 90s was Rage Against The Machine, fuck me did I have some fun to that bombtrack.
I consider the game changing albums of the 90s to be
Nevermind
Rage Against the Machine, and
Korn(Caveat, rock music only)
I'd add Dirt.
Cool.
I wouldn't. And I'll give my reasons (again, totally just opinion)
Dirt is awesome. But it didn't create a movement. The Alice in Chains kids at school were probably always going to be the Alice in Chains kids. And thr popular kids didn't care
Nevermind created grunge. Nevermind allowed a boring band like Pearl Jam to be enormous.
Rage bought politics to white kids music. And rap over rock music. And Killing in the Name
Korn gave us Nu Metal.
Dirt is a better album than both Nevermind and Korn though. Way better. Down in a Hole is the best song about drug addiction ever.
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@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MajorRage said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Heath Ledger is a massively overrated actor.
Classic case of someone dying young and being lauded far beyond his actual talent and achievements.
I agree he's massively overrated, but his performance in Batman #206 was pretty damn good and different to all his other roles.
That last point being a key element of what I define as a good actor; different but believable characters. The opposite of which is Owen Wilson; his acting consists of repeating lines.
I’d rate him way behind Tom Hardy as Bane.
What did he do except that weird tongue thing ?
Convinced me that his character was 100% real. It was a truly outstanding performance worthy of the Oscar it won.
You know it, Hardy was fantastic.
Just confirming that we're talking about the actor wearing a mask and voice synthesizer the entire time?
Yes and the talent still shone through.
He’s also about five foot fuck all but looked enormous.
So the wardrobe department and cinematographer should receive awards..?
After Tom has his Oscar, yes no probs.
Well he missed the boat when he wasn't nominated for his portrayal of the Kray twins. Massively better performance than Bane.
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@mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@chimoaus said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Yeah Nirvana are good but I haven't heard anyone say they're fucking super since... well the 90s.
A band that was super in the 90s was Rage Against The Machine, fuck me did I have some fun to that bombtrack.
I consider the game changing albums of the 90s to be
Nevermind
Rage Against the Machine, and
Korn(Caveat, rock music only)
I'd add Dirt.
Cool.
I wouldn't. And I'll give my reasons (again, totally just opinion)
Dirt is awesome. But it didn't create a movement. The Alice in Chains kids at school were probably always going to be the Alice in Chains kids. And thr popular kids didn't care
Nevermind created grunge. Nevermind allowed a boring band like Pearl Jam to be enormous.
Rage bought politics to white kids music. And rap over rock music. And Killing in the Name
Korn gave us Nu Metal.
Dirt is a better album than both Nevermind and Korn though. Way better. Down in a Hole is the best song about drug addiction ever.
Can't disagree with your criteria and reasoning.
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Ledger was great in The Dark Knight, regardless of the fact he died or not - he made that movie.
Tom Hardy is a great actor, but Bane is not the go to role when I think of him acting, and the movie he was in was bad by normal director standards and fucking awful by Nolan's standards. Hardy should have won the Oscar for Locke. Carried a whole movie just driving and talking into the phone.
Another hot take - Nolan's worst films are his Batman ones.
Also, I think I've said this before Alice in Chains made no impression on me during that era - not sure why, maybe they didn't make it to Hawkes Bay record players. I just wasn't taken in by Nirvana, preferred the boring band Pearl Jam. Never listened to a Korn album either, the whole nu-metal thing passed me by. Rage was huge though, must have been in 7th form, and then managed to see them at Big Day Out in 1996 I think.
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@Nepia said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Ledger was great in The Dark Knight, regardless of the fact he died or not - he made that movie.
Tom Hardy is a great actor, but Bane is not the go to roll when I think of him acting, and the movie he was in was bad by normal director standards and fucking awful by Nolan's standards. Hardy should have won the Oscar for Locke. Carried a whole movie just driving and talking into the phone.
Another hot take - Nolan's worst films are his Batman ones.
Also, I think I've said this before Alice in Chains made no impression on me during that era - not sure why, maybe they didn't make it to Hawkes Bay record players. I just wasn't taken in by Nirvana, preferred the boring band Pearl Jam. Never listened to a Korn album either, the whole nu-metal thing passed me by. Rage was huge though, must have been in 7th form, and then managed to see them at Big Day Out in 1996 I think.
Sounds like someone hasn’t seen Tenet.
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@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MajorRage said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Heath Ledger is a massively overrated actor.
Classic case of someone dying young and being lauded far beyond his actual talent and achievements.
I agree he's massively overrated, but his performance in Batman #206 was pretty damn good and different to all his other roles.
That last point being a key element of what I define as a good actor; different but believable characters. The opposite of which is Owen Wilson; his acting consists of repeating lines.
I’d rate him way behind Tom Hardy as Bane.
What did he do except that weird tongue thing ?
Convinced me that his character was 100% real. It was a truly outstanding performance worthy of the Oscar it won.
You know it, Hardy was fantastic.
Just confirming that we're talking about the actor wearing a mask and voice synthesizer the entire time?
Yes and the talent still shone through.
He’s also about five foot fuck all but looked enormous.
So the wardrobe department and cinematographer should receive awards..?
After Tom has his Oscar, yes no probs.
Well he missed the boat when he wasn't nominated for his portrayal of the Kray twins. Massively better performance than Bane.
Good call. He was terrific in that.
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@MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@Nepia said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Ledger was great in The Dark Knight, regardless of the fact he died or not - he made that movie.
Tom Hardy is a great actor, but Bane is not the go to roll when I think of him acting, and the movie he was in was bad by normal director standards and fucking awful by Nolan's standards. Hardy should have won the Oscar for Locke. Carried a whole movie just driving and talking into the phone.
Another hot take - Nolan's worst films are his Batman ones.
Also, I think I've said this before Alice in Chains made no impression on me during that era - not sure why, maybe they didn't make it to Hawkes Bay record players. I just wasn't taken in by Nirvana, preferred the boring band Pearl Jam. Never listened to a Korn album either, the whole nu-metal thing passed me by. Rage was huge though, must have been in 7th form, and then managed to see them at Big Day Out in 1996 I think.
Sounds like someone hasn’t seen Tenet.
Tenet is batshit, but I quite enjoyed it. Not sure it will survive a rewatch with it's reputation, Dunkirk didn't.
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Yeah... not particularly hot-takes...
- For whatever reason, Nirvana never grabbed me at the time, but Pearl Jam did.
- In hindsight, I can see why Pearl Jam is considered "boring" - but when Ten and Vs were released... that was it. That was my jam.
- Rage Against The Machine.... whole different level. Fucking amazing. Never "my jam", but if any fluffybunny doesn't have their debut album anywhere near their top 10 rock albums of all time... fuck ya's all.
- Alice in Chains - never listened to them until a decade or two later. And that's probably my bad. 'pologies. From what I have listened to, since... yeah... can appreciate it - but... coming to it after that 'era'... it just doesn't have the same... (impact?)
- Korn, Nu-Metal... always seemed like candied-popcorn. I might enjoy it some of the time, but felt dirty/guilty whenever I did.
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@mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@chimoaus said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
@Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:
Yeah Nirvana are good but I haven't heard anyone say they're fucking super since... well the 90s.
A band that was super in the 90s was Rage Against The Machine, fuck me did I have some fun to that bombtrack.
I consider the game changing albums of the 90s to be
Nevermind
Rage Against the Machine, and
Korn(Caveat, rock music only)
I'd add Dirt.
Cool.
I wouldn't. And I'll give my reasons (again, totally just opinion)
Dirt is awesome. But it didn't create a movement. The Alice in Chains kids at school were probably always going to be the Alice in Chains kids. And thr popular kids didn't care
Nevermind created grunge. Nevermind allowed a boring band like Pearl Jam to be enormous.
Rage bought politics to white kids music. And rap over rock music. And Killing in the Name
Korn gave us Nu Metal.
Dirt is a better album than both Nevermind and Korn though. Way better. Down in a Hole is the best song about drug addiction ever.
I am probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Alice in Chains fans on TSF and I'd agree with the above.
Funny thing is that for me the most game changing albums of the era weren't actually albums. It would have to be the The Trip or Singles soundtrack.
Two of my all time favourite songs came off that Singles soundtrack (Drown & Would)
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